Re: OESFD on paired board
 

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I'd love to see some arguments for raising

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Two arguments for raising:
- Hero has an ewuity edge
- Hero's semibluff may push opponent off a better hand

There are problems with these arguments, however. First, if 5the opponent has 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], we don't have an equity edge.

Second, many better hands won't fold, such as trips.

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Grunch, what's your line here? If you were to call (as I would), would you lead any turn for 2/3?

Re: OESFD on paired board
 

I agree - reraise all-in is what I did, which upon further review, I don't like against an unsuckful player on a paired board.

Re: OESFD on paired board
 

Not at all, and I think I prefer this line.

Re: OESFD on paired board
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($148.85)
UTG+1 ($157.05)
MP1 ($37.25)
MP2 ($139.75)
MP3 ($41.35)
CO ($92)
Button ($233.80)
SB ($228.10)
BB ($65.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $4, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $144.85</font>, MP2 calls $121.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($290.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($290.10) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $290.10

Results:
Hero has Th Jh (one pair, eights).
MP2 has 9c 9s (full house, nines full of eights).
Outcome: MP2 wins $281. Hero wins $9.10.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400757
pokenum -h jh th - ah 2h -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 447 45.15 534 53.94 9 0.91 0.456
Ah 2h 534 53.94 447 45.15 9 0.91 0.544

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400758
pokenum -h jh th - ac 8s -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 423 42.73 564 56.97 3 0.30 0.429
8s Ac 564 56.97 423 42.73 3 0.30 0.571

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400759
pokenum -h jh th - ac 9s -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 636 64.24 354 35.76 0 0.00 0.642
9s Ac 354 35.76 636 64.24 0 0.00 0.358

Oo, hey, there's one I'm ahead.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1400760
pokenum -h jh th - ac as -- 8c 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8c 9h 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jh Th 483 48.79 507 51.21 0 0.00 0.488
As Ac 507 51.21 483 48.79 0 0.00 0.512

Only better hands will call me. Way better hands. I don't think I'm being results oriented, but I don't like this line on a paired board.

Re: OESFD on paired board
 

What's your read of the villain?

At this limit, I'm having trouble believing he's raising here without an 8, and given the cold call (a bad raise, may I add) and a flop raise, I'm thinking he's got a pocket pair... 8s or 9s.

The all-in re-raise, imo, is an awful move. In many cases, you only have 2 outs and there's almost not a case I can think of where your straight is good given the action.

Re: OESFD on paired board
 

I hadn't seen anything out of line from him. I agree, the min-raise doesn't really accomplish much.. well, accept getting me to push [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't like the push anymore either. If the straight isn't any good, I don't see how the flush can be good either.