Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

For those who think completing the SB is okay:

What DON'T you complete with and how are those hands so different than T9o?

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

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For those who think completing the SB is okay:

What DON'T you complete with and how are those hands so different than T9o?

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I suppose this is a much more succinct way to express my feeling from my post below.

Perhaps it comes from having more comfort playing small stacks in level 3 and 4. Then others would be more comfortable throwing out the occasional wildly speculative bet in levels 1 and 2. But it's not for me.

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

FWIW I play it exactly the same.

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FWIW I play it exactly the same.

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Why lead the flop?

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

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I don't mind the completion preflop. If the Villain has been underbetting the pot, check-calling (if he gives you odds to) is probably a better flop line than betting

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Ditto.

There's no need to "slow him down" with your flop lead. Your loose/weak read is contradictory to this line. He's likely not folding + you should find check/calling a cheaper path to the river.

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

I don't think folding is terrible or anything.

Implied odds are the main reason for completing.

There are lots of ways to win besides stacking people when you get your straight, but that tips the scales here for me vs. a hand like T5o. T9 also has a reasonable chance of winning a small pot with top or second pair.

I wouldn't be surprised if a really good player could make a profit completing preflop with any two. However, In this spot, I only complete with something reasonably coordinated.

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

Thanks for the reply.

I am going to continue folding this kind of thing. I don't see myself making money from it. I'd love to have a better player explain to me how to make money with such a weak hand in this spot, but until then it's a fold for me.

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

I like it. You're getting 5 to 1 preflop, so easy call.

Leading the flop is correct but I would bet less than the pot (probably 1/2 the pot so that the pot isn't too big on turn if you miss your draw on the turn).

Re: 33 party - oesd on flop
 

He's getting 5 to 1 for his preflop call. There is no hand preflop that is a 5 to 1 advantage over T9o.

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He's getting 5 to 1 for his preflop call. There is no hand preflop that is a 5 to 1 advantage over T9o.

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What are you talking about? It's not like he gets to check it down to the river for free from this point on. I don't understand the point of your post.