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exactly my point....I hit one of my outs that made a flush possible....do I bet and fear a check raise and pay off the flush or do I just check...

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What flush? In a 3 handed pot at the river, they both check to you.

Or are you the guy who only bets the river with the nuts?

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Would you bet the river if you were holding 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

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It is not bad to discount your outs, but you shouldn't be eliminating the [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] outs all together from the equation. I think even couting them as only 1/2 outs is a bit too conservative, but I wouldn't argue with you about it too much.

So if you were going to count them as 1/2 outs you have 10 outs in this hand.

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Would you bet the river if you were holding 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

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NO WAY. I don't have the nuts [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

BTW, excellent point.

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Would you bet the river if you were holding 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

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NO WAY. I don't have the nuts [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

BTW, excellent point.

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You say you don't mean to be rude, but you are laying it on pretty thick don't ya think?

Certainly betting the river is the correct thing to do here, but it wouldn't shock me at all if the SB turns over the flush here. It's likely BB is going to fire again on the river so the SB trying to get a check raise in wouldn;t be the worst play in the world.

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For those of us going through major downswings right now, not betting the river is an insult to us all.

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so I think what people are saying if I bet I can:
1. win 7BB by both folding a good thing
2. Win 1 or 2 more BB by being called with the best hand
3. split the pot with another straight (betting doesn't matter here)
4. pay 2BB's to the flush

and since 3 of the 4 are in my favor and the fourth option is not very likely the best thing to do is bet.

anybody disagree?

BTW I would bet 2d 3d...can you explain that one to this dullard

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Certainly betting the river is the correct thing to do here, but it wouldn't shock me at all if the SB turns over the flush here. It's likely BB is going to fire again on the river so the SB trying to get a check raise in wouldn;t be the worst play in the world.

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If SB has a flush and was dumb enough to play the flop that way, would he suddenly become smart enough to check raise the river?

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BTW I would bet 2d 3d...can you explain that one to this dullard

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On this particular board, if you hold QJ(no flush), or 2d3d, you have exactly the same hand. The hands that beat your straight will beat your baby flush. The hands that c/r your straight will c/r your baby flush.

My main thinking is, if you aren't going to bet when you make a straight, when it puts 3 to a flush on the board, then fold the flop and save your self the money

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so I think what people are saying if I bet I can:
1. win 7BB by both folding a good thing
2. Win 1 or 2 more BB by being called with the best hand
3. split the pot with another straight (betting doesn't matter here)
4. pay 2BB's to the flush

and since 3 of the 4 are in my favor and the fourth option is not very likely the best thing to do is bet.

anybody disagree?

BTW I would bet 2d 3d...can you explain that one to this dullard

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I think the point was if you would bet 2d3d (as you should) even though it's not the nuts, why wouldn't you bet this straight although it's not the nuts as well.