Re: 88 your play?
 

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.

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Well, let's think about it. If raising 5 limpers is profitable, that means I want to put as many bets as I can as long as all 5 limpers call, right? So, I put 16% of the total money that is going in and will have to fold around 90% of the time on the flop. Please, explain why raise with 88 is profitable here.

Re: 88 your play?
 

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.

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Well, let's think about it. If raising 5 limpers is profitable, that means I want to put as many bets as I can as long as all 5 limpers call, right? So, I put 16% of the total money that is going in and will have to fold around 90% of the time on the flop. Please, explain why raise with 88 is profitable here.

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Here's two good scenarios:

5 limpers, you raise, 8 to the flop for 16BB


flop

A 8 5 rainbow. AK-AT are basically drawing dead, and you will get mucho action

hands like 89 are drawing almost dead, yet they will probably put in 2-4 bets in on the flop hoping to turn trips.


Second:

5 limpers, you raise 88, 7 to the flop for 14sb

Flop:

A T 4

all check to you, you check

turn 8

bet, call, call, you raise.... and so on


and lastly,

5 limpers, you raise 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7 to the flop for 14 sb

flop

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Bet, call, call, call, you call getting about 18:1

Turn

8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

bet, call, you raise.

Re: 88 your play?
 

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.

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Well, let's think about it. If raising 5 limpers is profitable, that means I want to put as many bets as I can as long as all 5 limpers call, right? So, I put 16% of the total money that is going in and will have to fold around 90% of the time on the flop. Please, explain why raise with 88 is profitable here.

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Assuming 5 limpers call and nobody re-raises, you are getting 11.5:2 on your raise, when the required pot odds are somewhere around 15:2. When you flop your set, you have 3 streets and 5 players to pay you off, making it more likely that you will recover 1.75BB postflop on average. As mentioned before, you will also sometimes get a 4-card flop.

Re: 88 your play?
 

8%....no.

Re: 88 your play?
 

Hip, while I don't disagree with your point, I don't think your examples clearly demonstrate the idea. While every situation you've described is great, you haven't accounted for their frequencies.

Re: 88 your play?
 

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.

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Well, let's think about it. If raising 5 limpers is profitable, that means I want to put as many bets as I can as long as all 5 limpers call, right? So, I put 16% of the total money that is going in and will have to fold around 90% of the time on the flop. Please, explain why raise with 88 is profitable here.

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Sometimes you get a free shot at a turn card to make a set in a 7bb pot.

Re: 88 your play?
 

Raise preflop
Raise flop...I like your line only If im trapping dead money, which in this case there is none.
Lead or raise the rest of the way
slow down if you get 3 bet on this river...still a auto-call down though at .50/1.

Re: 88 your play?
 

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When you flop your set, you have 3 streets and 5 players to pay you off,

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How is this related to preflop raise?

Re: 88 your play?
 

For the raise to be profitable:

% of additional total money I put in preflop when I raise < % of the time I expect win.

period.

Re: 88 your play?
 

These are all just basicly examples of why to play it, not why raising is better. If you have 5 limpers in front of you they're probably loose enough to pay you off with very marginal holdings in any size pot if you do hit your set. Inflating the pot so the people will chase when they're drawing dead is pointless if the people will chase when they're drawing dead regardless.