Re: KK river fold
 

I would just call. Look at the hand being player here.

If hes on a flush draw he isnt going to call the raise.
If he has an 8 your behing.
If hes an idiot calling with J9 on the flop he hit his str8.
If he has 77 your dead.

I really don't think raising is right on the river with that flop. His play seems to retarded to bluff here.

But since he raised I think you're behind. He is only reraising if you are beat. Unless he is a LAG idiot I don't see calling. Fine your getting 15:1 on the odds but your beat.

Re: KK river fold
 

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I don't like it. Either call the 3 bet or don't raise. 14:1 is enough to call imo.

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/sign.

I think just calling the river bet is the best. Just based on what I know of players in games like this.

Re: KK river fold
 

player ahead defintally has solid pair and is trying to curve the betting, so raising is right, but when player three bets, he most likely will have the trips, yet 1 out of 15 times is enough for him to possibly have top pair, so a call was warrented.

Re: KK river fold
 

Here's a good example. I was not the hero in this hand.

BB is 55/6/1.13 (Loose Passive)

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Tc Qc (one pair, eights).
Hero has 6s 6h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.16 BB. </font>

Re: KK river fold
 

I really don't understand what the point of this is. Should I post the results that I folded and he showed 88 to prove that my fold was correct? Of course not as that's not the point.

Plus that AF with that VPIP isn't that passive.

Re: KK river fold
 

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Here's a good example. I was not the hero in this hand.

BB is 55/6/1.13 (Loose Passive)

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Tc Qc (one pair, eights).
Hero has 6s 6h (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.16 BB. </font>

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doesn't an agg. of 1.13 w/ a vp of 55 make him rather aggressive?

Re: KK river fold
 

Another one.. BB is 59/9/1.90. A little aggressive, but not a maniac. I obviously had the nuts here. But even K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] had him beat.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

River: (20.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls $7.19 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.56 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 2s Ts (one pair, twos).
Hero has Kc Ac (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 24.56 BB. </font>

Re: KK river fold
 

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I really don't understand what the point of this is. Should I post the results that I folded and he showed 88 to prove that my fold was correct? Of course not as that's not the point.

Plus that AF with that VPIP isn't that passive.

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A poster asked for examples of unknown villains that 3-bet the river on a paired board with nothing.

Re: KK river fold
 

Why don't you just call him. I don't like raising and folding to a 3bet.

Re: KK river fold
 

I don't think anyone three bets here w/out trips or better. I have yet to call this line down and win.