Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

this particular opponent is pretty darn tight....his flop and turn bets are basically blocking bets. While my image at the time was laggish he's played with me a bunch and lays down to my raises with all but the strongest of hands

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

Why'd you call that river? That bet pretty much screamed, "I have a jack." If he was truly a predictable TAG as you stated, wouldn't that river have scared him if he had AQ, ESPECIALLY since you were calling down the whole way? If you're not going to re-pop the flop or the turn, why call a sizeable bet when the last card you wanted to see (aside from a diamond perhaps) comes on the river? What do you think the Villain put YOU on?

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

After turn he's probably check/folding the river, regardless of what hits. It doesn't matter if he folds to a raise somewhere, slowplaying here is terrible for metagame purposes, particularly short-handed.

And right, a tight player wouldn't value bet two pair here for $300. From the likes of it, he might throw out a smaller blocking bet again.

BTW, I really hope you mucked afterwards.

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

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Why'd you call that river?

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See thread title

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That bet pretty much screamed, "I have a jack." If he was truly a predictable TAG as you stated, wouldn't that river have scared him if he had AQ, ESPECIALLY since you were calling down the whole way?

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Yea, while he may have made another blocking bet with AQ, i don't think he would have bet that much and may have checked. I was pretty sure he had a jack but i was getting 2-1 and i thought i saw some sincere hesitation before he bet and was not sure what it meant. Plus, i'm often stubborn (leak)...I probably should not have called although i do think it's pretty close.

Edit: By the way....i was almost certain that he did not have diamonds

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

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It doesn't matter if he folds to a raise somewhere, slowplaying here is terrible for metagame purposes, particularly short-handed.


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I disagree....Sometimes i call with draws or very marginal hands. I want my opponents to know that i could also be calling with a monster. Even if the board is scary. (although this is very rare for me)

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And right, a tight player wouldn't value bet two pair here for $300. From the likes of it, he might throw out a smaller blocking bet again.


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Agreed

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BTW, I really hope you mucked afterwards.

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You mean after i called and he showed me his jack? yes, i said "nice hand" and folded without showing. but i do think he know's he got lucky

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

Perhaps. I was thinking that the fact this is a draw-heavy board actually makes your slowplay better. On a completely dry board, I think you should continue playing fast.

I'm only saying that if you feel like you've been playing too aggro and the table is ready to fight back, this is a perfect time to continue playing fast.

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

All I am going to say is there are much better boards than ATK to slow play on.

SpaceAce

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

even if he does fold, its better to pick up the pot there than let him draw out on you. In addition to this,playing it ur wayin the future when u raise the flop he will now know u dont have a monster. Only sandbag when u know there's almost no chance of u being outdrawn and u were not the initial raiser and u know ur opponent will continue to bluff or bet his decent hand very strongly until raised.

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

Yes but the point is that since this is a draw-heavy board, your only hope of getting a decent amount of money out of Villain is to flat-call twice and rep a busted flush draw on the river. aggie felt his read of a weak/vulnerable hand (and not a big drawing hand) was correct, so I think we can assume Villain is probably drawing to a gutshot here. It's worth it to risk seeing those 4 cards in the deck in hopes that you can gank him for a 75%ish pot sized bet on the river.

Re: Donkiest play ever?
 

Punting cats is fun. Punting babies is bliss.

In other news, i agree with thabadguy on the hand.

been playing too long...
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