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gonzopro 12-16-2005 09:49 AM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
Are you seriously folding to a SB river bet?

TomBrooks 12-16-2005 09:59 AM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
I like the check. They might put you on a Jack that was afraid of the Ace, so if neither one has a Jack and they don't make a hand on the river, they might check to you again.

Wynton 12-16-2005 10:32 AM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
I think it's close, but probably correct against these opponents (assuming I am interpreting your description correctly).

If one of the players was more on the TAGish side, I'd be inclined to bet. Sometimes what happens is that a player with the middle pair will fold, figuring that hero or the other person has the Ace. And then you're actually left against the one player who was on the draw. But because your description makes me think that both players probably would call with a J, the line looks ok to me.

toss 12-16-2005 10:41 AM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
Against one of these guys I'd bet the turn and check behind on the river, but I don't know if its likely enough for both of them to have worse hands to allow us to bet. I'm also too lazy to do any hand ranges.

bottomset 12-16-2005 01:47 PM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
I think its fine, I might call if it goes SB bet, MP fold and the river was a nonflush 2,3,4,5,6,7,9

I think its likely that SB bets almost all rivers after you check behind, I don't want to overcall, but I think he'll have something busted 1/5.75

Lmn55d 12-16-2005 01:52 PM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
this seems like a pretty easy check to me. They're not gonna have lower pairs or gutshots enough imo (flushdraws often show aggression on the flop) to warrant a bet. Also you avoid getting checkraised and can hit what is usually a 2 outer.

jba 12-16-2005 01:54 PM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
I like your line.

POKhER 12-16-2005 02:24 PM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
Sounds fine, the turn is the major decison point so your goign to showdown or not.

I think they may have A or J (MP 41VPIP guy moreso that 61(SB)) however 88 is weak and this river card will affect it durastically.

Check behind and re-evaluate if Mr 61VPIP bets i think.

You're reads confuse me though.

Would SB bluff bet ? Would MP? Or do they have top/second pair to bet? Are they brainless?

Benman 12-16-2005 02:31 PM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
I might fire another barrel. The two diamonds out there on the flop help. Also, there's some chance the player to act first after your turn bet would fold a J.

jba 12-16-2005 02:32 PM

Re: ... so I took my ball and went home - 88
 
" there's some chance the player to act first after your turn bet would fold a J. "

pretty much no chance IMO


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