Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

The flop comes AK8, you think he's calling with 89? How he has a gutshot is beyond me, how he's calling is beyond me. I think youll find this easier if you stick to the situations at hand AND start providing reads in your posts.

I've got work to do but you should go read the HUSH forums. They'll help you immensely.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

Yup, that's it alright.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

I'm sure this is being debated, but this is the perfect time to raise preflop with this hand.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

The KJ has definitely been proven to be in need of a preflop raise, the 77 not so much.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

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The KJ has definitely been proven to be in need of a preflop raise, the 77 not so much.

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Hmm. Lemme go read that one.

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I raise that one too. And I'm considered weak-tight!

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

Yeah, I think the question is "need." The EV looks very close whether or not you raise the 77 preflop as long as you go after the pot a large % of the time postflop. With the KJ the raise preflop is necessary in order to allow the BB to make the mistake of putting in another bet for you with his crappy kings and jacks and crappy anything else too.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

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Perhaps it can even be stated another way. Both of us agree that we want to bet the flop and get him to fold. So on most flops we are both betting. On your flops the pot is bigger and we have invested more preflop. On my flops its smaller and we have invested less preflop.

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I think you're largely over-valuing the significance of one extra small bet in a HU pot.

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Do you think these factors change whether or not he calls the flop bet?

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Which factor? The size of the pot - NO. The fact that you showed/failed-to-show aggression out of the BB PF - YES.

A key factor that is missing from the discussion of this hand is the range of hands that MP is limping with here. Put him on a range of hands that any average player will limp, first-in with from MP. You'll quickly see why raising PF is the correct play.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

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A key factor that is missing from the discussion of this hand is the range of hands that MP is limping with here. Put him on a range of hands that any average player will limp, first-in with from MP. You'll quickly see why raising PF is the correct play.

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Completely wrong at a limit like 2/4. You have to be suggesting that his chances of having a hand like K4s are skyrocketing because of this and that is totally bogus.

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

preflop, you have a slight edge over every hand villain would limp with here except pocket pairs > 7. how is raising not +EV?

Re: 2/4 Check-up Flopping the Nuts and not even considering FPS lines
 

pf same
bet-3bet-call the flop.
check-raise the turn
lead the river

That's how i'd play it.

-d