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Hello Philo,

"Traditionally--theologically and philosophically at least--god is supposed to be the perfect being. Being omniscient is part of being perfect."

Why is being omniscient a part of being perfect? Is this a human defined perfection?

"There are all sorts of possible problems if god is not conceived of as omniscient. If god is not omniscient, then by definition there are things that god does not know. This means that god is fallible since he can make mistakes now due to his ignorance. He can misjudge people for example."

God neither sees nor knows all things: (from the skeptics annotated bible)

1. Gen.3:8
"And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord, amongst the trees of the garden."
Gen.4:14
"Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid."
Gen.4:16
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden."
Gen.11:5
"And the Lord came down to see the city and the town."
Gen.18:9
"And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent."
Gen.18:17
"And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do?"
Gen.18:20-21
"And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and, if not, I will know."
Gen.22:12
"For now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."
Num.22:9
"And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?"
Dt.8:2
"God led thee these forty years in the wilderness ... to know what what in thine heart."
Dt.13:3
"The Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God."
2 Chr:32:31
"God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart."
Job 1:7, 2:2
"And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
Hos.8:4
"They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."


"If god is not perfect, then even if there is a 'creator' what you are left with at best is just a very powerful, very smart being. That could just be some super-smart super-advanced alien for all we know."

Is there anything wrong with this?

Re: Restating the Paradox
 

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If the universe is infinite and eternal then the quantity of evidence is infinite

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The universe is not infinite. Therefore, the rest of your argument is pointless.

Re: Restating the Paradox
 

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I guess the other poster had your slimy ruse nailed from the get go. That's the not the same meaning of the word "faith" that I used in the original post which spawned this thread, and you know it.


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Thank you! Thank you!

I'll be here all week. /bow

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The universe is not infinite. Therefore, the rest of your argument is pointless.


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Every atheist I've ever debated with believes in the infinity of possiblility. If you're not one then I suppose the argument is less forceful.

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What do you mean by "the infinity of possibility"?

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What do you mean by "the infinity of possibility"?


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An infinite number of possibilities.

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Therefore, the rest of your argument is pointless.


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What do you mean by pointless?

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An infinite number of possibilities.


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Possibilities *for what*? Quit being purposefully obtuse. It's childish.

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What do you mean by pointless?

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Since your premise was incorrect, the conclusion is meaningless.

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Possibilities *for what*? Quit being purposefully obtuse. It's childish.


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Events.

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the conclusion is meaningless


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What do you mean by conclusion? What do you mean by meaningless? What do you mean by the? What do you mean by is?

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An infinite number or kind of events? That's absurd.

And I guess we're done here. I was dead on about the context-dropping at the start and now you're just acting stupid, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time.

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Possibilities *for what*? Quit being purposefully obtuse. It's childish.


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Events.

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the conclusion is meaningless


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What do you mean by conclusion? What do you mean by meaningless? What do you mean by the? What do you mean by is?

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lol. NR, I think I "believe" in "the infinity of possibility". Where does that lead?