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The biggest is the capital requirement. You don't go from dirt poor to DSL fired puter and BR.

There are many cultures where poker as a career would be unthinkable. Think Utah.

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You can't be serisous about Utah. Who do you think keeps the casinos in West Wendover and Mesquite in business?

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I refuse to read all these posts. But here is why you are wrong.

It takes money to play poker. You need substantial capital for a bankroll and to buy computers and pay for your internet connection. Just this investment alone will hinder people in underdeveloped nations from playing.

Now how did you learn to play poker? You probably bought a book and then lost a bunch of money honing your skills. I would venture to say that most players do not become profitable for several months. The people in these countries don't have the time or the money to invest in learning poker.

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I did read a book, but i never lost money. I started with 50 and never had to redoposit. Its really not that dificult if you start at lower limits to get experience and play profitably.

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I refuse to read all these posts. But here is why you are wrong.

It takes money to play poker. You need substantial capital for a bankroll and to buy computers and pay for your internet connection. Just this investment alone will hinder people in underdeveloped nations from playing.

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You should have read the whole thread as this was already addressed. Yes people in developing nations have a harder time getting computers then people from developed nations. Crayzee put up a good link explaining that. It is not impossible and many people in these nations already have computers. His link even explained how it is becoming easier to get computers for these people and that computer use in these places is going to take huge jumps in the coming years.

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Now how did you learn to play poker? You probably bought a book and then lost a bunch of money honing your skills. I would venture to say that most players do not become profitable for several months. The people in these countries don't have the time or the money to invest in learning poker.

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This is exactly why fish in these places won't take up the game, and why the ones that do will quit very quickly. That leaves only sharks, and soon to be sharks to take up the game. The ops argument as I understood it was that the ratio from these countries will be different, and they will settle for lower wages then current professionals. This makes complete sense to me. The only real question is how likey is poker to become popular in developing nations. I think it is unlikely to happen in the near future, but it will eventually.

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About the popularity. I travel to Argentina about 4 times a year and speak to a brazilian kid a lot. Poker is catching on down there. Getting popular among friends and more popular online too. It seems like to me they are about 2 years behind us (seems to to have explosive growth the year moneymaker won and it was televised on ESPN. And even if the game didnt' catch on, it certainly would among those who wanted to pursue it as a career. A job is a job.

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Correct, I think the good players from foreign countries will be more apt to play full time, as its advantageous vs their real world job. As more players enter, the tables will tighten and good players will be forced to play lower limits if they want to remain profitable, at which point it will not be favorable for many pros in the developed nations to play.

I would be fine playing US players only. I prefer to play with whichever players are most +EV for me. I see no moral issues. As such, i prefer to play with an average USA player over an average person from a third world country because the average USA player (per my assumptions) will have more disaposable income and tend to be less inteligent.

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Thanks for explaining. IMO, we're better off with a larger pool of players in general. Maybe you'd be happy if the poker sites provided a reliable geographic location of players, based on IP? Then you could choose tables with US based players...

I still think the full-time players will move up in limits as they improve. Most people want to make more money if they can. Plus the equilibrium of fish-sharks is not easy to predict. If the number of sharks increases, the relative number of fish drops, making the game less profitable for sharks, so some sharks will stop playing, which increases the ratio of fish... its a dynamic system, that doesn't necessarily have an equilibrium solution.

The restrictions you propose sound like a big gamble from EV perspective... What if they somehow stop Americans from accessing foreign poker sites (maybe with a china-style firewall?), and it turns out that the rest-of-the-world sites are more fishy than the US sites? US players will be pissed to be excluded... I guess the US casinos would be stoked though...

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First paragraph you rephrased my point. HOwever, the key is that it will be the USA player which will be encouraged to leave the table first as they will reach the point where they could earn more at a REAL job much more quickly than their Indian counterpart.

We are the wealthiest nation in the world. Dumb people have access to large ammounts of money. Hence, i would be fine playing US players only.

Not to mention we are extremely wastefull which i think translates to ones willingness to toss money away on the table.

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This is one of the most retarded threads on 2+2.

Reasons people from 3rd world countries don't play poker online??

Well [censored] duh they dont have computers.

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This is one of the most retarded threads on 2+2.

Reasons people from 3rd world countries don't play poker online??

Well [censored] duh they dont have computers.

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Gabby.. i imagine you are one of my fellow American's that i love to play poker with. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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This is one of the most retarded threads on 2+2.

Reasons people from 3rd world countries don't play poker online??

Well [censored] duh they dont have computers.

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lol, the avatar really helps this post.

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This is one of the most retarded threads on 2+2.

Reasons people from 3rd world countries don't play poker online??

Well [censored] duh they dont have computers.

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Gabby.. i imagine you are one of my fellow American's that i love to play poker with. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Who's Gabby? I thought it was G. W. Bush. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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That's so scary. That means some of the ppl that left college to become online poker pros will have to collect garbage in the near future? That's so incredibly amusing.

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You are now assuming that people from developing countries make great poker players.