View Full Version : From 20-40 to 2-4, part 2 of 2 (long)

04-11-2002, 02:16 PM
So the girlfriend (Jolinna) picks me up at the Mirage and we go get some grub. We end up at Mandalay Bay listening to some live Jazz and have a cocktail. She is clearly a bit antsy and starts asking me some poker questions.

Here is where some background is needed. She is a big time video poker player. Loves the game. So she understands hand rankings, and has some basic concept of odds. In addition, she is one of the better euchre players you will ever want to meet. She is a two time former #1 on the Cases Yahoo Euchre ladder, back when the ladder was over 30,000 strong. So she has some card background, but no real clue how to play live poker.

So I answer her questions and she decides that she wants to give it a try. Cool honey, I'll get you a book and we can do some free tables at paradise to get you up to speed.

No dice. She wants to play now.

OK, who am I to argue. I call the Palms and put us on the 2-4 list. Yup, they take call ins for the two-four game. VIP treatment baby, here come the high rollers! We get there and are first up.

I don't have much time to prepare her. So I give her the following guidelines with the caveat that they will be modified greatly as she learns more.

1. Preflop, you can only call with blackjack hands, pairs, suited aces and suited connectors higher than 6.

2. If someone raises before you preflop, you are only to call raises with AA-JJ. No exceptions.

3. On the flop, you flop a 4 flush, open ended straight, top pair, two pair, trips (or better) or an overpair. Anything else and you fold. No exceptions.

4. If you have any of the requirements for continuing past the flop and they check to you, then bet.

She was the tightest player at the table. By far. I love it.

But there were some problems.

As many of you may remember, the game is very fast when you first play. And she had never even played a home game. She did a great job of grasping the blinds, but had a fetish which involved folding rather than checking on the flop when first to act.

She has some trouble understanding kickers as it related to pocket pairs. In violation of rule #3, she insisted on betting pocket jacks into an A-K-K-X board on the turn because "I had two pair with an ace kicker, isn't that good?"

Hmmmm, maybe she should've taken up stud.

After experimenting with what happens when you violate the ground rules I laid out for her, she realized that, HEY! Dave actually knows what he's talking about!

Suddenly she's folding those underpairs, mucking all her raggy aces and betting her top pairs (usually, but sometimes she wouldn't bet em without a good kicker). Unfortunately shes stuck about $100 when this hand comes up:

She limps in UTG with KK. A call from MP, MP2 raises, 8 end up seeing the flop for 2 bets each.

Flop: K-6-5. She bets, call, raise, all but one call. 7 to the turn.

Turn: 9. She bets, raise, reraise, all others fold, she calls, call.

River: 5. She bets, raise, call, she string raises and it ends up being ruled a call. She beats 9-5s and AK. BIG pot.

She's hooked.

She wins her very next hand with AQ.

She's really hooked.

Meanwhile, I'm swimming around even spending most of my energy watching her so I can give her some useful feedback when the session is over. Then I get faced with a dillema.

I limp behind 6 others on the button with 57s. Jolinna is in the BB.

Flop: K-5-5. Checked to me, I bet, she calls, and 3 others call.

Turn: 8. Checked to me, I bet, she calls, the others fold.

River: 5. She bets.

Oh shit, she bet. What to do, what do do.

I'll get an educated opinion.

"Dealer, am I supposed to raise my girlfriend with my 4 of a kind?"

"Depends on how warm you want the bed to be tonight."

I called.

We racked up.

We went home.

Now that's a +EV play.

04-11-2002, 02:30 PM

04-11-2002, 03:24 PM
"Dealer, am I supposed to raise my girlfriend with my 4 of a kind?"

"Depends on how warm you want the bed to be tonight."

You could probably play thirty years and not get such useful advice from the guy in the white shirt. BIG toke.

Regards, Lee

04-11-2002, 04:21 PM
Strongest play I ever saw was a guy check-raise his wife with quads in 1-5 stud. If she can't stand a raise from you, what will she do when you do something really bad like want a new sports car and buy it without permission? Test her mettle now. :-)

04-11-2002, 09:02 PM
i think we all know you didn't have to ask the dealer. you already knew the answer. nice post.

04-11-2002, 09:21 PM
whats her screen name?

mine's pinkdaff1

i need some good partners. i keep getting stuck with idiots and losing horribly. my rating has gone from 1850 to 15xx in about 20 games. rapidly falling, totally running bad re: cards and partners. i never played cases, but i got as high as like 80 on yahoo ladders before i had to call it a night... slipped so far in 6 hours.

04-11-2002, 10:35 PM
My handle is Clarkmeister1. Hers is Jolinna.

We don't play much anymore, but when we do, we are in McKinley or Everest.

04-11-2002, 10:57 PM

I remember reading an article by Daniel Negreaneu that regarded soft playing friends. He was playing in a casino, where everybody knew everybody else, and the poker ended. Nobody bet anymore. In an attempt to get the game good again, he decided he would never slowplay again.

The best was when his girlfriend was stuck 3 racks, and he checkraised her on the river in a 10-20 game (details may be sketchy...).

That said, I've always prefered a warm bed. Always. No 'it depends' about it. Always.


04-12-2002, 12:12 AM
IMO raising makes the sex better

04-12-2002, 06:21 AM
Classic stuff!

Do either of you play pinochle, either single or double deck?

04-12-2002, 06:41 AM
i play double deck on yahoo sometimes. im not very good though. learning. i don't make major mistakes at least...

04-12-2002, 09:41 AM
"I limp behind 6 others on the button with 57s. Jolinna is in the BB."

With her being the tightest at teh table and a table of loosies, you should have sat to her left to take advantage of what you know about Jolinna's tactics...:). Then take her out for a sumptuous meal with the chips you'd saved from getting out of her way.

04-12-2002, 11:41 AM
Nope...the pinnocchle tradition in my family ended with my Grandfather.

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04-12-2002, 06:51 PM
just trying to put it in EV terms...