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02-25-2002, 01:08 PM
In a recent Roy Cooke article on tipping, Roy parenthetically asks, "How many times have you seen a dealer deal a mutiway pot perfectly and be toked by someone who didn't win the pot because he did a good job?"


I do this about once a month. For anyone interested in good vibes and fairness, it's a great bargain.


Tommy

02-25-2002, 01:20 PM
Hi Tommy,


"I do this about once a month. For anyone interested in good vibes and fairness, it's a great bargin"


I agree, I usually will throw the dealer a dollar chip if they have just pushed a pot to a "non tipping" player, just the smile and nod of the dealers head is worth it, and I'll take all the good karma I can get.


Jim

02-25-2002, 01:32 PM
I believe this was from Mike Sexton's article.

02-25-2002, 02:07 PM
I think this could be a problem if you show up a player who is not tipping for a reason. I tip, but there are some dealers who have earned their way onto my stiff list. It takes some bad behavior to get on my list, and you might not know what the dealer did. If you don't know this and see me stiff, you could draw the wrong conclusion. This could also embarass the dealer if you (or other players) say something about it. I'm not saying that you would say something about it, but if someone else did it could be a problem. Because if someone accuses me of being a stiff it could affect how other players view me. I will correct the negative impression and that might embarass the dealer depending on how much detail I give. I have never had to say anything though, as I simply stack the pot quietly and don't throw a tip. Since I usually tip, I don't think people notice.


For instance, I would not like it if you tip a dealer I am stiffing after I win a pot if you do it in a way that can show me up. If you do it as a matter of course, OK, but if you smile and nod after I stiff I won't like it. You might not have been in the game where the dealer played and abused the live one to the point he played better or might not have seen a talking dealer get two bad players frustrated enough to quit the game and go play craps. So tip good dealers, but be careful about showing up another player. Also, I would never throw a big tip (like the $25 one in the article) to a dealer who screwed another player. I would at most tip what I normally do, because seeng $25 go to the dealer is really rubbing it in to the player who lost. Yeah, if the other player is a total jerk who I meant to insult I might, but I would only seek to insult him deliberately, not accidentally.

02-25-2002, 03:00 PM
To avoid showing up another player, it could be done after the dealer has dealt his last hand, as he is getting up. Sometimes a player does this when he has done particularly well during the dealer's stint, and the effect of paying him/her a compliment for his/her good job might be muted by doing it at the end, but it's an idea.

02-25-2002, 05:20 PM
Not a bad idea at all.

02-25-2002, 06:05 PM
im really loving not tipping. it's getting extreme. i dont even consider it anymore, not even for a second. even if i feel bad vibes coming from the dealer i just completely ignore them . even if i rake a $1000 pot i dont even consider it.

02-26-2002, 01:16 AM
mike l.,


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, but this seems very cheap to me. Why not help someone out? I prefer to directly affect someone's wage rather than expecting their employer to treat them decently. Not enough do.


KJS

02-26-2002, 02:02 AM
"I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, but this seems very cheap to me. Why not help someone out?"


first off, yes i am very very cheap. miserly, frugal, and tight (with money, never at cards) as well.


secondly, it's hard enough to make a decent wage playing poker without having to worry about tipping. the collection, tipping waitresses, gas to get there, etc all add up to a lot of extra expenses. i dont make enough per hour to tip the dealers. i could lie to myself and pretend i do and cut an extra dollar or 5 per hour from my wage, but i prefer not to.


btw, i dont go to play poker to help anyone out except myself. i find this to be the best attitude to have in order to be in the correct frame of mind to win at poker: the attitude of a selfish asshole.

02-26-2002, 04:54 AM
your a scumbag, i guess you've never worked in the service industry...


SWIFTY


P.S. If i sawyou ata table and not tip once, id honestly lecture you and tell you in front of everyone what a scumbag selfish loser you are. if you play at the taj lemme know what limits and well play together so i can caca on ur head in front of everyone.

02-26-2002, 09:13 AM
Seriously Mike,

I understand not tipping a lot, but NEVER? How hard would it be to toss a buck on the exceptionally big pots? I just would not want that kind of karma and hostility.

02-26-2002, 02:51 PM
would you prefer the casino take an extra dollar from the pot each time to pay the dealers so that dealers have less incentive to do a good job (and get your dollar anyway)? you must play somewhere where there's excellent dealers, because if you have played with bad dealers, you wouldn't like it. while there's positive ev in being a stiff at the card table, there may be positive ev in filling up your gas tank and driving away without paying as well. I'm guessing that you probably have an illegal cable box and park in the handicap spot when you think you can get away with it.

02-26-2002, 07:41 PM
"there may be positive ev in filling up your gas tank and driving away without paying as well."


hey that's a good idea!


thanks for the TIP!


(haha! get it! tip! ha!)

03-01-2002, 12:21 PM
"Mr. Pink."


"Mr. Pink? Why not?"


"He don't tip."


"He don't tip?? Whaddaya mean you don't tip?"


"He don't believe in it."


"Shaddup! What do you mean, you don't believe it? C'mon, cough up a buck, ya cheap bastard. I paid for your goddammed breakfast."


"OK, since you paid, I'll throw in, but NORMALLY, I would never do this."


"Never mind what you NORMALLY would do."