View Full Version : 2+2 SnG: would people rather play Satellites to the 200+15 ??

02-11-2004, 10:23 AM
Ok, here is the thing:

Stoneii suggested that playing the SnG for money prizes was a little bit dubious for two reasons:

1. For most of us it is probably a -EV decision to play these (in terms of winning money - not talking of educational value). The reason for this being the tough competition - compared to the normal fish at this level.

2. For the high stakes players it is such a piffling tournament that they don't care so much, win or lose.

The solution put forward to this is to play $13+1 18 seater Satellites to the $200+15.

This would make it (more) worth while for the high rollers, and it would allow the lower stake players to have a shot at a tournament they wouldn't normally play in.


So these are the options:

Run *additional* games to the current $10+1SnGs

Change all or some of the current $10+1 games into $13+1 satellites. We only play one game on Tuesday - But we play two on Wednesday, so there is the possibility to run one $10+1 and one $13+1 on Wednesday.

Stick with what we do now.


I will post what *I* think in a seperate response, and I invite all those who play these things or would start playing these if something changed to respond.


02-11-2004, 10:36 AM
Some thoughts:

I tend to play crap knowing that only first place is going to get a prize - especially against such stiff competition.

On the other hand it would be nice to enter a 200+15...

But then if you *knew* you couldnīt make the time/date of the 200+15 then you wouldnīt want to play the SnG.

I would be really f*ing annoying if a random guy beat us all.

It would be way cool if someone went from our SnG to make the money in the 200+15.

And we could demand a report from whoever went to the 200+15 each week... just to check that our money was being well spent!

I think people would get a bit down *never* getting anything back from these (even if we are all equal standard you could easily go 36 weeks without a first - that is 9months!). That will be nasty change, what with most of us having our regular dose of fish at whatever stakes we play.

All in all I reckon better to stick with money, but I am game to try a few satellites.


p.s.: I am of course just organising these things - not *running* them. So whatever the popular opinion is I will go with.

02-11-2004, 11:04 AM
I like our SNG games as they are now. In the evening games, there are 8 people that get in the money. Not true in a $13 or even a regular tournament. I think I could predict the 4 people that would win 90% of our tourns with only 1 winner. Some of our lesser members (like me) can get in the money sometimes with 8 pays.

I do think the chance of getting one of us into the $200+ is a good idea. I just don't think it is INSTEAD OF...

If the guys (and gals) would like to play this, pick a different time.


02-11-2004, 11:58 AM
Hi Tim

Please don't misunderstand, didn't think the current game is dubious, I thoroughly enjoy it. Just when waiting for the game to start did my usual looking around at what was happening in lobby and, on spotting the $14 super satellite thought, now that would be fun to play as a forum.

Would add spice knowing 2+2'er makes it to big game at weekend but do take the point it's even more -EV. Rather than replace, how about even a once per month game where we all descend on $14 table as an extra?

Just offering additions/alternatives as a point of discussion

G'Luck, stoneii

02-11-2004, 12:06 PM
Now that's starting to sound like a really good idea.


02-11-2004, 12:56 PM
Yeah, how about at a weekend once a fortnight, or month?

That way we could get the US and Euro players together a bit more.


02-11-2004, 12:58 PM
I like this idea a lot.

Brad S

02-11-2004, 02:00 PM
I would not want to see the weekly SNG's end, but I would certainly be willing to help back a 2+2er in the 200+15, particularly if they wrote a "trip report."

I admit that the structure of a winner-take-all satellite makes me doubt that the "fun factor" for the satellite would be as great as for the SNG's, but I'd be happy to give it a shot.

See you tonight, I hope. (I may, regrettably, have a conflict. /images/graemlins/frown.gif )

02-11-2004, 02:14 PM
I don't like it. I think the 2+2 games are a better learning experience with 4 places paid than 1. The bigger possible prize doesn't make it more attractive to me (if I qualify as a high stakes player).


02-11-2004, 02:21 PM

I agree. but

What would you think about a Saturday afternoon game for US and EURO guys combined for a 13+ with entry to the next day's 200+ for a prize?


02-11-2004, 02:22 PM
To me the SNG is for the social and learning experiences. Keep it like it is. If someone wants to organize a totally different SNG for the Sat, that is fine.

02-11-2004, 02:26 PM
I agree, and think we better leave it that way. EV is not dependant (in our case) on the pay-out structure. It will still be 2+2ers, 1.7% flops and all, tough competition.

Another reason is that people here usualy play normal SNG's, with 4-3 places in the money. Playing winner-takes-all won't be as educational, because there won't be much to take and use in regular SNGs (especially regarding bubble play, IMO).

And the most important reason is that I have a pretty good ROI at the 2+2 SNGs so far. If it works, why fix it? /images/graemlins/smile.gif


02-11-2004, 07:20 PM
this aint a bad idea. i'll go with the flow. I could go either way. The one thing I see here as a possible advantage is that the satellite 18 player tourneys are less likely to have "unknowns" making the final four, as happened in the last one I played in where I wrote it up, myself taking second. jkkj was unknown and slaughtered several fine players with very bizzare and dumb plays, like limping with K3o then calling an all-in preflop and winning. With all 2+2ers only Cris Brown should make such plays! /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Just kidding, luv playing with you Cris! /images/graemlins/grin.gif


02-11-2004, 07:27 PM
having taken 4th and 2nd, I can see how having it pay 4 places has somewhat of an advantage over paying just one.


02-11-2004, 08:32 PM
Well I've only played in two of the SNG's so far but I really enjoyed both of them and I look forward to playing in them every week. I would however enjoy a once or twice a month satellite as well.