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09-11-2003, 09:02 PM
I need some help trying to calculate odds.

I am working on my game using Wilsons Turbo Texas Holdem. Anyway, the system is running a $20/$40 game. I have a K /images/graemlins/club.gif4 /images/graemlins/club.gif in the small blind. 4 players see the flop.

When the betting returns to me after my initial check, the pot is at $287. The call is $60 which gives me pot odds of 4.78:1. I think I should fold, but I am having problem figuring out my card odds.

The flop is T /images/graemlins/heart.gif A /images/graemlins/club.gif Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

This gives me the following possibilities:
1. an inside straight (4 J's)
2. Backdoor flush (QJT9876532 of /images/graemlins/club.gif)
3. Trips (A, K, Q, T, 4)
4. Two pairs
5. Pairs


1. Do you count all of the possibilities?
2. How do you quickly calculate these sort of odds when playing?



09-11-2003, 09:34 PM
I would count just the jacks and one out for the backdoor flush, giving me 5 (you probably want to discount further since the jacks make a split possible or likely).

8.4:1 ?

If there will be no betting on the turn, you have about 10 one card equivalent outs (or five outs twice), so about 3.7:1 odds are needed.

So you could call if everyone was allin,

09-11-2003, 09:59 PM
How do you quickly calculate these sort of odds when playing?

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you don't. you should know some of the more common odds off hand and just know that long shot draws go a long way as far as adding to your chance of improving your hand to the best hand. so if a backdoor flush or an inside straight draw is your only chance to win, then you might not want to continue, but coupled with other outs it turns a fold into a call.

09-12-2003, 03:32 AM
I agree with the other posters here, just wanted to add that when you are looking at your outs in a situation such as this one, the pot may not be laying you as good of odds as you think. For example, if you count a J as an out, you could easily be drawing to a split pot (anyone else with a K), which cuts your odds in half.


09-12-2003, 01:10 PM
So the flop betting went you check, bet, raise, reraise and now it is back to you. I would expect it to get capped behind you. So it will cost $80 and the other players capping and calling would bring the pot total up to $407. You are getting just over 5 to 1 on a call here. Your only real out is a Jack and that may be to split pot. The odds of hitting your inside straight draw are 43 to 4 or almost 11 to 1. You back door flush is not going to make much of a difference. This is a clear fold.

09-12-2003, 01:50 PM
Also note that if you do catch a King or two, anyone with a Jack has made a straight.