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The Yugoslavian
12-29-2005, 03:57 AM
$215
level 3 (25/50)
7 handed
Seat 3 is button

Seat 9: MrMarchelle ( $1900 )
Seat 8: curtainz ( $2980 )
Seat 5: pseudboy ( $1135 )
Seat 3: Capital2Gain ( $1210 )
Seat 7: kndanice ( $890 )
Seat 10: steveo2005 ( $1590 )
Seat 4: peakman ( $295 )

kndanice folds.

Dealt to curtainz [ Qc Kd ]

So far curtains has gotten some big hands in pre-flop raised pots and dragged enough chips to feed a small Etheopian village for several years....but, ok, I doubt that is necessarily the reason for how he plays KQo preflop here. However, I'm interested in what ppl do here compared to what he actually did.

I will try to find post flop HHs that seem interesting to me but so far the only ones that interst me are all pre-flop, lol.

Yugoslav

yvesaint
12-29-2005, 04:00 AM
the pre-flop action is unclear, how does kndanice fold and its on curtains ....pls make it just a little bit clearer

curtains
12-29-2005, 04:19 AM
the seats are out of order thats all.

microbet
12-29-2005, 04:40 AM
One thought here is seat 4 in the small blind with 295 is very likely to push. Limping and then calling his push could be pretty +$EV here.

The Yugoslavian
12-29-2005, 04:46 AM
yvesaint,

It is clear....look at the seats. Sorry, but this is how the raw HH text was sent to me by the man and while I'm cleaning them up a bit, frankly, Party players should be or should get used to it. Imagine looking through hundreds of these dumb HHs of curtains folding, /images/graemlins/frown.gif. Too bad my PT replayer doesn't work at the moment!

Yugoslav

bennies
12-29-2005, 06:20 AM
KQ with 4 players left to act, I fold.

How tight are those 215s? If people fold 99 to a single raise then by all means go ahead.

HesseJam
12-29-2005, 07:04 AM
Dunno, what I would do here. KQ in that situation is always a tough hand for me. In a normal 15+1 game I put in a standard raise because players rarely come over the top. In a stupid/aggressive game I cannot make the standard raise because I don't know what to do with a 450 reraise. So I fold it in these games.

AbelM
12-29-2005, 07:46 AM
I would often raise, but sometimes limp here. You could even do a miniraise here /images/graemlins/cool.gif

At the 50-100 level it's a different story though.

curtains
12-29-2005, 11:12 AM
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One thought here is seat 4 in the small blind with 295 is very likely to push. Limping and then calling his push could be pretty +$EV here.

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Sorry to say but this is the most FPS type of thing Ive ever seen, and Ive seen similar comments before. Such a method of playing should be completely eliminated from your arsenal IMO. The idea of calling because you suspect some tiny stack will move allin is really crazy to me somehow and I hope that you don't approach other situations where you hold mediocre hands in such a fashion.

I just have too many chips, and a pretty decent hand. Im sure I raised here. When you have 3k chips the hands are a lot easier to play, and your opponents play tighter against you. A hand like this that might normally be not so great, is surely some amount of +EV here. For instance if you are called preflop and make a cont. bet, its a lot less likely your opponent will randomly play back at you, due to your monster stack size.

I don't remember this specific hand, probably because it was boring and I just stole the blinds, but personally I feel that this is a pretty automatic raise given the game situation. I have a huge stack, and there are ways you should behave when you get such a monster stack.

Yes KQo isnt an amazing hand and is one you can "get into trouble with", but not in a situation like this.

microbet
12-29-2005, 11:44 AM
For some reason I was had the idea you limped. Now I don't see your action, but I think I even knew at the time you raised.

Anyway, I generally fold. I was just speculating about your move.

I do think about shorty sometimes and whether they will push, but pretty much only when I'm doing something like making a marginal completion of the blinds or limp with small PP and I decide not to do it because of the likelyhood of being raised off the hand. When a maniac busts down to a small stack he is very likely to push the next hand, and also very likely to push his first blind hand.

I wouldn't be thinking only about shorty from so far out of position for sure.

The Yugoslavian
12-29-2005, 01:59 PM
My standard play is to fold.

Curtains raised to t150 (which even deviates a bit from his standard t125 l3 raise....although I'm pretty sure I know why he felt comfortable with t150). I was hoping to see it go postflop and how hard he bet a missed (but not uber scary) board but it didn't happen. Everyone seems to fold to curtains on level 3 anyway....maybe he should just raise everything, /images/graemlins/wink.gif.

Yugoslav

Vuron00
12-29-2005, 03:10 PM
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I just have too many chips, and a pretty decent hand. Im sure I raised here. When you have 3k chips the hands are a lot easier to play, and your opponents play tighter against you. A hand like this that might normally be not so great, is surely some amount of +EV here. For instance if you are called preflop and make a cont. bet, its a lot less likely your opponent will randomly play back at you, due to your monster stack size.

I don't remember this specific hand, probably because it was boring and I just stole the blinds, but personally I feel that this is a pretty automatic raise given the game situation. I have a huge stack, and there are ways you should behave when you get such a monster stack.

Yes KQo isnt an amazing hand and is one you can "get into trouble with", but not in a situation like this.

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I'm going to have to agree with this reasoning. This is a good time to open up with a borderline hand and put out a normal raise. The SB may even call here and you'll show down this hand letting the others at the table know that you'll be playing a little loose with the big stack. Now you've got the perfect table image to trap with big hands.

If someone other than the short stack looks you up, know when to get away from the hand.

curtains
12-29-2005, 06:08 PM
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I just have too many chips, and a pretty decent hand. Im sure I raised here. When you have 3k chips the hands are a lot easier to play, and your opponents play tighter against you. A hand like this that might normally be not so great, is surely some amount of +EV here. For instance if you are called preflop and make a cont. bet, its a lot less likely your opponent will randomly play back at you, due to your monster stack size.

I don't remember this specific hand, probably because it was boring and I just stole the blinds, but personally I feel that this is a pretty automatic raise given the game situation. I have a huge stack, and there are ways you should behave when you get such a monster stack.

Yes KQo isnt an amazing hand and is one you can "get into trouble with", but not in a situation like this.

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I'm going to have to agree with this reasoning. This is a good time to open up with a borderline hand and put out a normal raise. The SB may even call here and you'll show down this hand letting the others at the table know that you'll be playing a little loose with the big stack. Now you've got the perfect table image to trap with big hands.

If someone other than the short stack looks you up, know when to get away from the hand.

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You are a bit poisoned by the 2+2 super tight mindset. No one in the universe would see my turn over KQo while holding about 60x BB and say "wow hes been playing like a real loosey goosey". They'd probably think, KQo, thats a NORMAL hand to raise in this situation.