View Full Version : $11's KK - fold on turn (3rd flush card hits)?

09-19-2005, 09:19 AM
I have trouble laying this (and similar) hand down... I bet big pf-flop (betting enough to give villain incorrect odds) and on turn he bets into me. However, villain only has t300 left at turn... so maybe this is an auto call... or is it better to save t300?

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: rondog999 (482)
Seat 2: dchunt5 (1430)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (1800)
Seat 4: himalaya99 (880)
Seat 5: Gators574 (363)
Seat 6: ringo19 (775)
Seat 7: fogelle333 (955)
Seat 8: rfw54 (645)
Seat 10: Datarr (670)
himalaya99 posts small blind (15)
Gators574 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Kd, Kh ]
ringo19 folds.
fogelle333 calls (30)
rfw54 calls (30)
Datarr folds.
rondog999 folds.
dchunt5 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (150) to 150
himalaya99 folds.
Gators574 folds.
fogelle333 folds.
rfw54 calls (120)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 7h, 6d ]
rfw54 checks.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 bets (200)
rfw54 calls (200)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
rfw54 bets (150)
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Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (150)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2c ]
rfw54 bets (145)
rfw54 is all-In.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (145)
Creating Main Pot with $1365 with rfw54
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1365 |
Board: [ 2h 7h 6d 8h 2c ]
rondog999 balance 482, didn't bet (folded)
dchunt5 balance 1430, didn't bet (folded)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 1155, lost 645 [ Kd Kh ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kd,Kh,8h,2h,2c ]
himalaya99 balance 865, lost 15 (folded)
Gators574 balance 333, lost 30 (folded)
ringo19 balance 775, didn't bet (folded)
fogelle333 balance 925, lost 30 (folded)
rfw54 balance 1365, bet 645, collected 1365, net +720 [ Ah 5h ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,8h,7h,5h,2h ]
Datarr balance 670, didn't bet (folded)

09-19-2005, 09:50 AM
I think if you'er going to call the river bet after fourth street, just put him all in. You played it fine. Villian doesn't have that much more. If he was sitting on 800 you would be faced with a difficult problem. There are a lot of hands that people love to donkey bet the turn with,like top pair, flush draws, and other crazy fish hands. But the nut flush happens to be the best. Seems more unlucky than anything else.

09-19-2005, 09:51 AM
fold. he probably has an A high flush, leaving you with 0 outs. not to mention, you have plenty of chips left to play with.

I like pushing post flop, make him decide if he wants to call the rest of his chips on a draw.

09-19-2005, 10:29 AM

I like pushing post flop, make him decide if he wants to call the rest of his chips on a draw.

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I like this line, thanks

09-19-2005, 11:15 AM
This is somewhat read-dependant. Villain is starting with t645 - obviously played a few hands, were you able to determine calling ranges and evaluate post-flop play?

Without reads, I think it is hard to put villain on a flush. What would you limp with and then call a 5x raise with? AQs or maybe AJs, but would you expect the villain to limp with AQs? And I think a set is very unlikely (with 88 being the only real possibility).

I would put out about a pot-sized bet on the flop. I think on the turn when villain bets, you need to call. You will win often enough to make this a profitable play. Even if you lose, you have enough chips to work with.