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09-13-2005, 10:11 PM
Hi all, I'm new to the forum, and new to this pot equity concept via Miller/Sklansky's low-limit book. Here's a recent hand of mine (PP low-limit ring game): I have T6d in the SB and the three generic players to my left have also limped. The flop is: Tc 8c 2h. I am first to act. Although I may have the best hand at this point, do I check and wait for the turn where I could gain more of an equity edge? My little chicken brain says that with a fairly coordinated board, the turn is the spot where I'll lose or gain most of my pot equity, given that my pair of tens is weak to overcards and straight/flush draws. So my question is: lead out with a bet or wait till the turn card? And, if I had JT or T9, would it change anything? Thanks

09-14-2005, 09:46 AM
I think you need to bet this. You have TP so you want the draws to pay for another card. If another club comes what do you do then?...If you playing aginst avg players they know if you bet the flop another bet is comin on the turn. Plus if you get checked behind then you still have no info on players hand range.

Mr. Curious
09-14-2005, 03:49 PM
Questions like these really belong in the Micro or Small Stakes forums because they deal with strategy, rather than generic probability.


pokenum -h td 6d - as 6h - qh jh - 5c 9c - ac ts -- tc 8c 2h
Holdem Hi: 741 enumerated boards containing Tc 8c 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Td 6d 21 2.83 708 95.55 12 1.62 0.036
As 6h 0 0.00 741 100.00 0 0.00 0.000
Qh Jh 194 26.18 547 73.82 0 0.00 0.262
9c 5c 262 35.36 479 64.64 0 0.00 0.354
Ts Ac 252 34.01 477 64.37 12 1.62 0.348

Just a stab at 4 possible holdings puts you way behind in this hand.

09-14-2005, 04:37 PM
Raise. As 86clubs says, you have the top pair and want people to pay to draw against you. If someone is holding AA, that's Poker.

You are not likely to find out much more on the turn. A 10 or 6 would help you a lot, of course, but not give you nuts. A 9 or club worries you a bit, but not too much. Any non-club below 9 is good for you, but you're not going to jump out of your chair and cheer about it.

One of the other players is likely to learn much more. They could pair one of their cards, or make their club flush or make their straight.

When the other players learn more from seeing the next card than you do, you generally want to raise or fold. In this case, raise.

Another consideration is that if you won't raise with a top pair, people will figure out that you only raise with two pair or better, and no one will call your raises except when they've got that beat.

09-14-2005, 09:59 PM
Thanks for the response guys. I guess my question is directly related to something in Miller's book that says with AA on the button (post-flop) you definitely bet for value, but with TT in the same situation, you're really only exploiting a small pot equity edge if facing a coordinated board and at least one suspected overcard draw. So I'm asking this in terms of expectation--am I better in the long run to wait and exploit a much larger edge on the turn, or if a scary card comes, I can bail on the small pot. Does this change anything, or is betting still the play?