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08-13-2005, 02:15 AM
Last night I was on Pacific Poker on an NL\$50 table, when I hit AA. I raised the pot and a short-stack called me all-in. I was re-raised by a third player, who I then raised all-in. Both players I was in the pot with had pocket 99's, making them both dead to 4 cards for a striaght, or 4 flush cards. The third player ended up hitting 4 cards for a flush and taking the pot. I was just wondering what the odds are of four (or more) of one particular suit hitting like this?

Luzion
08-13-2005, 02:42 AM
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Last night I was on Pacific Poker on an NL\$50 table, when I hit AA. I raised the pot and a short-stack called me all-in. I was re-raised by a third player, who I then raised all-in. Both players I was in the pot with had pocket 99's, making them both dead to 4 cards for a striaght, or 4 flush cards. The third player ended up hitting 4 cards for a flush and taking the pot. I was just wondering what the odds are of four (or more) of one particular suit hitting like this?

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5 * (12/46)(11/45)(10/44)(9/43)(34/42) = 0.012277914 board is 4suited
(12/46)(11/45)(10/44)(9/43)(8/42) = 0.000577784 board is all suited

Add both and you get 0.0129 or 1.29%

I am assuming "Mr. 99 makes flush" holds a card of a suit, that you two other guys dont hold and he makes a flush with that card. Also Im assuming you dont care if the pot gets split when the board becomes a royal/straight flush that doesnt include the 9.

BugsBunny
08-13-2005, 10:19 AM
There are 46 cards left in the deck. 11 cards per suit for the suits you have in hand, and 12 cards persuit of the other 2 suits. The question here is how often will a 4 (or 5) flush of one of the suits that you don't have in hand be dealt.

4 flush = C(12,4) * (46-12) = 495 * 34 = 16830 combinations
5 flush = C(12,5) = 792 combinations
16830 + 792 = 17622 combinations

C(46,5) = 1370754 total 5 card combinations

17622/1370754 = 0.0128556984
But there are 2 possible suits that this can happen with so:
2 * 0.0128556984 = 0.0257113968 or about 2.57% of the time you'll lose to a flush this way.

To get an exact figure you'd have to subtract some straight flush combinations (split pots) (4 per suit) and factor in those times when they get their flush but you get a boat to win (4 flush that includes an A with the 5th card pairing one of the other cards).
4 flush that includes an A = C(11,3) = 165 (per suit)
There is 1 A + 3 of each of the other 3 cards for a total of 10 cards so
165 * 10 = 1650 combinations where they hit the flush but still lose (per suit)

17622 - 4 - 1650 = 15968

Per suit you'll end up losing to a flush:
15968/1370754 = 0.0116490632

0.0116490632 * 2 = 0.0232981264 or about 2.3%

Of course you could also lose to a straight etc. Your total equity in this situation is, per pokerstove, 95.249%

IggyWH
08-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Good math Bugs :

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1140205

or

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1140208