View Full Version : Tough QQ hand

07-23-2005, 02:37 PM
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Level:3 Blinds(25/50)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: MP2 ( $700 )
Seat 3: CO ( $1895 )
Seat 4: Button ( $815 )
Seat 6: SB ( $1310 )
Seat 7: Hero ( $1675 )
Seat 8: UTG ( $625 )
Seat 9: UTG+1 ( $680 )
Seat 10: MP1 ( $300 )
Trny:14186285 Level:3
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Qc ]
UTG folds.
UTG+1 raises [150].
MP1 folds.
MP2 folds.
CO calls [150].
Button folds.
SB is all-In [1285]


33s, no reads.

07-23-2005, 02:41 PM
push it on in,,,, why not

07-23-2005, 02:46 PM
Why not? I have a big stack and don't see the point of tangling with another big stack when I may very well be behind given the action (raise, call, reraise) in front of me.

I'm actually pretty confident this is a fold, just wanted to hear opinions on it.

07-23-2005, 02:58 PM
Any reads, as they are pretty vital to a decision.

07-23-2005, 03:01 PM
Any reads, as they are pretty vital to a decision.

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I wish I had any. I had 3 tables on the bubble so I wasn't paying particular attention to that one.

07-23-2005, 03:09 PM
w/ no reads, I call. quickly.

07-23-2005, 03:16 PM
I think a fair amount of people in SB's spot will push KK here. More often than not, I don't think they push AA. I think the most likely hands for SB are AK, JJ, TT, 99. I don't see any reason to put either of the other two on AA or KK and if they have a good ace or another PP, then if they come along for the ride it is all good.

I call.

07-23-2005, 03:17 PM
Would pushing be better to maybe convince CO to leave? He has us covered and has already shown interest, maybe two pushes will make him go away. Good idea/bad idea?

07-23-2005, 03:23 PM
I Push. I think the sb could easily have an under pair or 1 or 2 overs. Youd be suprised by the fish and the plays theyll make. Also yes by pushing hopefully get CO out. I dont know though Im not a pro or anything.

07-23-2005, 03:26 PM
w/ no reads, I call. quickly.

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07-23-2005, 03:27 PM
I don't think it will make a big difference.

It's really hard to say whether you want a call or not. If he has a lower PP or if they both have AK or AQ or something, you do want a call. If he has AA or KK, it doesn't matter.

Calling this time, rather than pushing represents a stronger hand, but I don't know if he would notice or see it that way.

The only time I think I don't want him to call (not counting AA or KK) is when SB has JJ or lower PP and CO has AKs.

07-23-2005, 04:10 PM

The only time I think I don't want him to call (not counting AA or KK) is when SB has JJ or lower PP and CO has AKs.

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Well, I think that is probably the case. SB looks like AK and CO like a pair, I don't know what the first raiser has but after raising a quarter of his stack I don't think he can fold and I don't really want to be AI here against overcards and other random stuff when I'm have a comfortable stack and I can probably get ITM just by stealing blinds.

07-23-2005, 04:16 PM

07-23-2005, 04:26 PM
If SB has AK and CO has a pocket pair under queens, I think I want CO to call.

Of course you can't see their cards, so it's not worth to much thought.

I think there is enough dead money here to be willing to go up against AK. Anyone else who comes along after that is great. They may suck out, but their money in the pot is worth the risk.

07-23-2005, 05:13 PM
Fair enough. I still think I can pass a slightly + chip EV situation like that when any chip I lose is worth a lot more than those I win.

07-23-2005, 05:24 PM
My chips beat his into the pot.

07-23-2005, 05:48 PM
I have been thinking a lot about QQ because QQ should be the kind of hand that you KNOW what to do with. Regardless QQ sometimes is still dificult. In this situation I would get all my chips in the middle. I assume that Aces and Kings are in play and risk is involved but that is poker.