View Full Version : Should I have called this on a $33?

07-22-2005, 04:53 PM
#Game No : 2405720084
***** Hand History for Game 2405720084 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14158682 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Friday, July 22, 16:41:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 11182 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: nickapr29 ( $1335 )
Seat 4: balsamicbill ( $1130 )
Seat 10: WildcatUK ( $2505 )
Seat 5: semaj78 ( $840 )
Seat 6: Pfleghaar ( $875 )
Seat 8: NMMS12 ( $620 )
Seat 3: rickyjayhawk ( $695 )
Trny:14158682 Level:5
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to balsamicbill [ 7h 7c ]
semaj78 folds.
Pfleghaar folds.
NMMS12 is all-In [620]
WildcatUK calls [620].
nickapr29 folds.
rickyjayhawk is all-In [620]
balsamicbill folds.
WildcatUK calls [75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 7d, 4c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
rickyjayhawk shows [ 8h, 8s ] a pair of eights.
NMMS12 shows [ 9s, Ah ] a pair of nines.
WildcatUK shows [ 6c, 6s ] a pair of sixes.
rickyjayhawk wins 150 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of eights.
NMMS12 wins 2010 chips from the main pot with a pair of nines.
Game #2405722503 starts.

07-22-2005, 04:54 PM
No, and it's not close. Honestly, you probably shouldn't even be playing the $33's if you're asking that. There were THREE all-ins in front of you. It's debateable whether to call or not with even one in front of you.

Superfluous Man
07-22-2005, 05:01 PM
Would you be asking this question if the 7d that came on the flop was the 2d?

(Hint: no)

07-22-2005, 05:15 PM
I was wondering whether your other post was really a bad beat post. With this bad woulda-beat post in evidence, I think it was.

07-22-2005, 05:19 PM
I don't think this qualifies as "bad beat" since he didn't play the hand + wasn't winning preflop.

I think a new category of "bad raise" hands needs to be created. "I would flopped trip twos with my 72o, but that IDIOT raised in front of me w/ AA!"

07-22-2005, 05:19 PM
I'm really just disappointed in myself. In responding to the bad beat post I was just cherry-picking an easy question.

07-22-2005, 05:21 PM
The bad beat post was here. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2941031&page=1&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)

07-22-2005, 07:25 PM
Figure I should defend my position, first off it wasnt my money so I wasnt trying my hardest, but seeing all the action, would 77 be that far behind?

07-22-2005, 07:26 PM
If your pattern mapper says you are gonna hit a set, of course you call.

Easy fold.

07-22-2005, 07:28 PM
"would 77 be that far behind?"



07-22-2005, 07:41 PM
Um...don't the results of the hand answer this question for you? You're behind TWO other pocket pairs preflop here. The fact that a 7 happened to flop this time is totally irrelevant to the proper play. You want all your money in when you believe yourself to have the BEST hand, not when you have a hand that you must get incredibly lucky to win with.

Why are you asking this question? For that matter, why are you playing the 33's if you have to ask this question? For that matter, if you have to ask this question...it's time to start over in poker. Read TOP, post here in response to hands, don't play for awhile...then go back to it when you have a more solid grasp of fundamental play.

07-22-2005, 07:42 PM
Yeah. The play in the $33s is not always good, but the hands you have posted have been particularly bad (not by you). Wildcat's call of the allin is enough to make 77 a fold and it really isn't close.

I would very easily fold JJ in your spot.

07-22-2005, 07:53 PM
Hey, Stu

You are being results oriented here. This is not even close to being a call. Yes you would have won, but if you could make this play 100 times you would be posting this asking "is this a leak in my game?"

Good fold.


07-22-2005, 08:00 PM
This is really funny to me- since the hand was won by- yup, you guessed it- me- funny to see your hand posted by another - this is a first for me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

To answer your question, I would never ever consider calling w/77 after 3 allins- I was just trying to steal obviously with the blinds coming around, but, boy was I unhappy to see two callers, but I did like end result /images/graemlins/smile.gif

What could you be beating? At least 1 of us has Ax, one or 2 has a pair- more than half the pairs are higher than yours, so why would you call.

Your regret in not calling is results oriented thinking- not solid poker playing- i.e- Do you fold AA preflop because it lost to 27 one time- same thinking - do you ever call your stack off w/77 after 3 allins- of course not- even if every now and then you hit a 7.


07-22-2005, 08:39 PM
I didn't mean your open-push when I disparaged the play in this hand. I think it was fine.

J Chap
07-22-2005, 08:49 PM
It's not as much a bad beat post as it is a "not...good...beat" post.

I'm sure we've all made a few NGB posts in our 2+2 infancies.