View Full Version : Did I fold too tight AQ on QJ8?

07-21-2005, 01:45 AM
I was gonna raise the small stack's bet, but got cold feet when someone raised in front of me (on whom i had no read). Was my fold too tight?

***** Hand History for Game 2397897626 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14116142 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Thursday, July 21, 01:31:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 11037 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: oldfashion ( $605 )
Seat 9: HERO ( $2890 )
Seat 1: ijayjay ( $1880 )
Seat 8: Meas4 ( $2005 )
Seat 6: orsetto ( $620 )
Trny:14116142 Level:6
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qc Ah ]
orsetto calls [200].
Meas4 calls [200].
HERO calls [200].
oldfashion calls [100].
ijayjay checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Qs, Jh ]
oldfashion checks.
ijayjay checks.
orsetto bets [200].
Meas4 raises [500].
HERO folds.
oldfashion folds.
ijayjay folds.
orsetto is all-In [220]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
Meas4 shows [ Ks, Qd ] two pairs, queens and eights.
orsetto shows [ Jc, Qh ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
Meas4 wins 80 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and eights.
orsetto wins 1840 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and jacks.

07-21-2005, 01:46 AM
no but not pushing preflop was horrendous

07-21-2005, 01:47 AM
I push preflop.

07-21-2005, 01:52 AM
no but not pushing preflop was horrendous

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07-21-2005, 01:55 AM
Thanks for the input, guess I should look into what hands I should be pushing in on the flop. Is there a thread around here that discusses this?

07-21-2005, 02:14 AM
I think i might have to PUSH PRE FLOP! ARE YOU MAD! I MEAN COMON!

07-21-2005, 02:26 AM
I don't know what I'm doing, that's why I am asking here.

07-21-2005, 02:28 AM
JK, take a chill pill. Read "Beating PP $11 NLHE SNG" guide for more info on basic play.

Do a search.

07-21-2005, 02:29 AM
move down too the 11$'s and keep studying this forum, and push in the future.

07-21-2005, 10:24 AM
i would also push on the flop. the raiser will have to fold a pretty good hand like JT or Q9 b/c it will be bubble as soon as you bust shorty (and it looks like you're going to with the reraise), and there's still another short stack. the short stack will be betting any pair after limping 1/3 of his stack.

07-21-2005, 10:31 AM
read this forum for a few hours and u will find lots of examples of pushing with less than aq...it just depends on blind sizes and chip stacks...moreso than ur cards many times

three reasons that this is a good stealing opportunity:
there is 700 in the pot, which is >20% of ur stack
there are 2 short stacks before the money, so lots of folding equity here
no raisers before you

orsetto may still call u since he's short stack and may take a risk, but u'll still be big stack even if he does and u lose the coinflip

07-21-2005, 12:33 PM
Upon reviewing the results of the hand you posted, I conclude that your flop fold was excellent! Well played!

PS Push AQo pre-flop.

07-21-2005, 12:48 PM
Upon reviewing the results of the hand you posted, I conclude that your flop fold was excellent! Well played!

PS Push AQo pre-flop.

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probably not, because if hero plays on he probably wins the rest of KQ's stack in a side pot.

07-21-2005, 12:50 PM
Call me crazy but I push preflop

07-21-2005, 12:57 PM
Basicly any hand u play here should be pushed

07-21-2005, 12:58 PM
Yes. you have the chip lead, push to the t500 reraise.

07-21-2005, 01:13 PM
Wow, I was just in a similar hand with ace/queen offsuit and got busted out of a tournament, and here's why. I didn't raise pre-flop and I let someone with queen/8 offsuit in to catch two pair. My lesson learned, raise with those good starting hands to get the crap ones out that can beat you, in your case queen/jack. I thought I was being tricky, and I ended up tricking myself. Great fold by the way. In my situation, I went against my read, and got busted, but you made the right call thinking that any 8 has got you, which is possible because of no raise, and the two other callers. So the better question is what are you going to do with ace/queen pre-flop to avoid this situation in the future?