View Full Version : Was this a terrible fold?

07-20-2005, 05:25 PM
Party 22.

My thoughts. He could have AK and then I am still only 55% fav. I can fold and still have enough chips to play. of course he could have had 22-JJ but it seemed like he wanted a call.

Your thoughts?

***** Hand History for Game 2395778975 *****
30/60 Tourney Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14105927) - Wed Jul 20 15:47:43 EDT 2005
Table Table 13876 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: stynker (1655)
Seat 2: Hero (775)
Seat 3: nuruddin (820)
Seat 4: jazzy45 (905)
Seat 5: Puckoff2 (565)
Seat 6: shab_a_doo (695)
Seat 7: SimpleCindy (1255)
Seat 9: Mr_Samosa (345)
Seat 10: ab181 (985)
ab181 posts small blind (15)
stynker posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qc, Qh ]
Hero raises (100) to 100
nuruddin folds.
jazzy45 folds.
Puckoff2 raises (300) to 300
shab_a_doo folds.
SimpleCindy folds.
Mr_Samosa folds.
ab181 folds.
stynker folds.
Hero folds.

07-20-2005, 05:27 PM
You have to push that sucker. He has 265 left. This is a 20$ buy in. PUSH!!!!!

07-20-2005, 05:30 PM
Funny thing is, if he would have pushed I would have called in a second. His 300 raise leaving him with 265 looked very much like he wanted a call.

07-20-2005, 05:32 PM
no, you gotta push.

07-20-2005, 05:33 PM
Well shoot, this is just wierd.

He doesn't minreraise, so it isn't INCREDIBLY suspect -- on the other hand, he raises enough to leave himself just 265 behind, obviously pot committing himself while trying to minimize (?) fold equity.

I personally couldn't find a fold here. But a) I don't play 109s, and b) I'm not very good. I don't know though. It's a pretty wierd raise. Maybe you made the right play.

EDIT: Shoot, for some reason I read this as a 109. At a 22, I push here everytime. A lot of people just do stuff because they don't know any better. Unless I have a read on him as solid, I probably don't consider folding here.

Superfluous Man
07-20-2005, 05:36 PM
Party 22.

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Dealt to Hero [ Qc, Qh ]

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Folding is terrible. You're seeing monsters under the bed. Sure, sometimes he'll have AA, KK, or AK (god forbid you have to take the good side coinflip with an overlay!). The majority of times at this level he will have a hand against which you're at least a 2:1 favorite.

07-20-2005, 06:40 PM
I push and sigh as he insta-calls with AA.

07-20-2005, 07:09 PM
Funny thing is, if he would have pushed I would have called in a second. His 300 raise leaving him with 265 looked very much like he wanted a call.

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I've noticed a lot of players doing this lately. Players that should know better. And they are doing it way too often for it to be AA/KK. So I'd push here 100% of the time.

07-20-2005, 07:11 PM
Party 22.

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Yes. Yes it was.

07-20-2005, 07:17 PM
I've seen AA, 88 and all hands inbetween, and they 99% call the push too. (Always with AA obviously..)

07-20-2005, 07:27 PM
Heads up with QQ in your pocket!! I'd do a Slim Pickens in "Dr. Strangelove" and ride this one all the way in. Of course, my last QQ hand was cracked by a set of 8's, but I figure that 20% hit is like paying taxes.

07-20-2005, 08:05 PM
Clear allin, your opponents are very stupid. THEY ARE VERY STUPID AND BASICALLY HAVE NO BRAINS!!! If you dont think like this most of the time in the $22s you are making a clear mistake. The size of their raise usually doesnt matter because they are too unsophisticated for it to have any real meaning most of the time. You cannot fold here, its extremely bad.

Most imporantly remember about their lack of brains...

07-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Yeah, I think it's fairly bad. QQ is the third best hand, you can't fold to a re-raise like that -- push it in, the times you're 20-80 against KK or AA will be more than made up for by the times you're 55-45 against AK or 80-20 against JJ, TT, and anything else villain might rr with.