View Full Version : A Big Bowl of MEH!

07-19-2005, 10:13 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed)

MP1 (t565)
MP2 (t620)
MP3 (t925)
CO (t1655)
Button (t2235)
SB (t480)
Hero (t785)
UTG (t885)
UTG+1 (t875)
UTG+2 (t975)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, UTG+2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t120) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t175</font>, UTG+2 calls t175, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t350</font>, UTG+1 calls t175, UTG+2 calls t175.

Turn: (t1170) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Hero Checks
UTG + 1 Bets 100
UTG +2 Pushes for 595 total
Hero Vomits and ????

07-19-2005, 10:14 PM
Hero pushes the flop.

07-19-2005, 10:20 PM
If you're reraising the flop, I think you pretty much have to call the turn. I might just flat call the flop raise, and bet a safe turn.

07-19-2005, 10:22 PM
How did you get to the turn without getting the money all-in? You should have pushed over the raise on the flop. I think you maybe still get called but at least you don't throw up. heh.

07-19-2005, 10:25 PM
well at this point I would probably fold, but wow its really bad not to push the flop here.

Superfluous Man
07-19-2005, 10:31 PM
On the turn, I vomit and call because I've already committed half my stack. I would have pushed the flop and then vomited when someone calls and hits his flush/fills out/finds some new innovative way to suck out anyway.

07-19-2005, 10:33 PM
Miniraise = bad. Push flop = good!

07-19-2005, 10:35 PM
why the MRR with that many people in and the flush draw?

07-19-2005, 10:56 PM
Ok, I agree I was completely and stupidly greedy in this hand. I folded (I'm a coward, but I'm a greeeeeedy coward).

So, there was no flush, there was not even a heart among my opponents.

UTG+1 had K/images/graemlins/club.gif9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (he called, obviously, and obviously I would have stacked him had I pushed the flop)
UTG+2 had Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (/boggle)

And I threw up again. (also, technically, it is more than a mini raise since I could raise only 115)

So far tonight, I have played 19 50+5's
I have EIGHT count them EIGHT thirds, one second and one first. And I am finishing the last. 8 thirds is a lot better than 8 forths but still feels pretty crappy. I feel like I have been leaving a fortune on the table the past week.

This has been my hand of shame for the night.

07-19-2005, 10:58 PM
With a flush draw on the flop and against loose/aggressive opponents just push it next time. I think you need to call the turn if you don't, just based on the pot odds.

I wouldn't kick yourself over it, though. 8 3rds, 1 1st and 1 2nd aren't bad results at all.

My first 20 55s resulted in 2 3rds and 1 1st.

07-19-2005, 11:04 PM
Ok, I agree I was completely and stupidly greedy in this hand.

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The thing is, after the raise and call, I'm generally quite confident that I can push right now and almost always get a caller. So I think pushing is probably almost as good on that front as well and doesn't get you in trouble when the heart comes. EDIT: In other words, I think a flush draw is probably more likely to pay you off here than to pay you off on a blank turn.

07-19-2005, 11:07 PM
Yeah, emphasis on the stupid part. The greedy part was wanting to stack both of them so I tried to get them both pot comitted.

07-19-2005, 11:15 PM
I think you've got to bet harder when you've got the nuts and some likely customers -- especially if you're going to play like Captain Vagina McGinastein when you don't have the nuts anymore.