View Full Version : Ridiculous level 1 preflop raise. Do you like my push?

07-16-2005, 05:10 PM
Was this a good play? Should I just let it go? What does his 17xBB raise generally mean? (Note: I lost about 200 chips earlier with an AK holding that got no flop love and a reraised continuation bet.)

***** Hand History for Game 2373496297 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:13985943 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, July 16, 14:35:40 EDT 2005
Table Table 14013 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: romad555 ( $755 )
Seat 2: bradymolter ( $1963 )
Seat 3: Visions007 ( $675 )
Seat 4: Modley ( $717 )
Seat 6: stockmaster2 ( $815 )
Seat 7: saprater ( $740 )
Seat 8: Hero ( $590 )
Seat 9: luckytown ( $1050 )
Seat 10: ClearCreek73 ( $695 )
Trny:13985943 Level:1
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SuitedJokerz [ Ts Td ]
Visions007 folds.
Modley folds.
stockmaster2 folds.
saprater raises [250].
Hero is all-In [590]

07-16-2005, 05:12 PM
I don't like this at all. You have an easily dominated hand and no fold equity. Just because it was a donk play by the raiser doesn't mean he's got garbage...he could have gotten excited about AA or KK (I have done this multitabling) and pushed the slider too far. With no reads this is a pretty clear fold.

Edit: on a sidenote, I've seen a twoplustwoer push from UTG at 10/15 with AA (he was very drunk) and get called by KQ or some crap like that...

07-16-2005, 05:39 PM
raise of this size looks like JJ+ or AK.

The Don
07-16-2005, 06:57 PM
Call it just to see what the hell someone would do that with. It is worth your $22 heh.

07-16-2005, 07:04 PM
You and I must value money much differently.

07-16-2005, 08:53 PM
Yeah I'm not liking this play at all. I think I was tilting when I decided to do that.

07-17-2005, 06:56 AM
In my experience at the 22's, a raise like that almost always means AK, and occasionally a mid pp like 55-99. I usually fold 10's here unless I'm desperate or I have notes on the person and they are a super donk.

Just about an hour ago I was playing a 22 and had someone raise to 225 first hand utg lvl 1, everyone folded and he showed 55. Usually though, it's AK from someone who can't play postflop and is just hoping to take the blinds down. And a little bit of advice, these people rarely if ever fold after this big of a raise preflop.

If I have QQ and am pretty sure they have AK after a raise like this, I'll often call when in position and if no K or A flops I'll call the all in when they inevitably push on the flop. They can't get away from the nut high after making that big of a preflop raise, and with no A or K on the flop I'm now a huge favorite instead of a coinflip preflop. I've only done this a few times against those I have notes on that do this routinely, but so far it's worked amazingly well.

07-17-2005, 07:28 AM
Looks okay to me actually. You are so short on chips, and your opponent is so obviously an idiot, that I wouldn't mind gambling here. If you are 50-50 its really not the end of the world. With 800 chips I'd fold.