View Full Version : Morality

09-13-2001, 11:03 AM
People, individual people, seem to be able to live their lives immune to the effects of their own immorality. For them, karma has been suspended and what has gone around needn't come back around. Stalin was at least the second most heinous bastard of the past century (and arguably in first place), yet he lived his life to the fullest length and died in bed.

But large groups of people, like countries, do not seem to be able to escape the fate they form with their behavior. For this reason it was not only gratifying, but probably inevitable that the Axis lost the Second World War.

I think that morality, not expeditiousness and short-term advantage, should guide our decisions in the international arena. Sometimes the steps required by this philosophy are scary, even if they are right. Imagine the moral courage required if England and France had decided to follow their declaration of war upon Germany when that country invaded Poland from the West, with an identical declaration of war upon the USSR when that country invaded Poland from the East.

It would have been for moral reason that we should have thrown our support to Mao in the 1930s, not Chang, who was clearly no more than the principle warlord who'd placed himself in position as supreme exploiter. How different would the situation have been in China if Mao held fealty to the West instead of the Soviets at the conclusion of the great revolution.

Had we followed our pledge given to Ho Chi Min in 1944 by the OSS (predecessor of our CIA) to exclude France from post-war reoccupation of Indo China in exchange for Viet Minh attacks upon Japanese occupation forces, the people of Vietnam would have enjoyed popular self-government beginning in 1945. The cost would have been the alienation of the French who began separate negotiations with the Soviets and dropped out of NATO anyway. Benefits are obvious.

We clearly should not support regional leaders of dubious nature. Local potentates who are clearly despicable should be actively opposed. If we do anything else, history will come back to bite us in the ass.

09-14-2001, 10:30 AM
Mao was a genocidal mass murderer

09-14-2001, 12:31 PM
In the end. Before the mid-60s he was devoted to land reform.

09-15-2001, 10:43 AM
Read your history, Mao was a tyrant and murdered long before the cultural revolution

09-17-2001, 08:51 AM
Sometimes one just has to compare the real to the real. Comparing the real to the imaginary and deciding upon the second never seems to work out well.

09-17-2001, 09:38 PM
If only those State Dept "best and brightest" young things would have allowed common sense like yours to have creeped in to their "thinking"! Probably you and all your comrades would not have found yourselves on the other side of the Pacific, fighting at your country's behest, as you wrote. Perhaps a lot of other foreign adventures as well would not have turned nasty, taking a lot of lives along the way, in the last 4-5 decades. Examples abound.

...But would that have been really a good thing for America?!? I'll ask Tom tomorrow.