View Full Version : AQ first hand of tourney on BB

05-21-2005, 09:44 PM
Is there any way to win this hand or do i just have to take it in the ass til i have more money to play with people that have any clue what there doing ? ($5 SnG on Stars)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t100</font>, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t100, Button calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t80.

Flop: (t610) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t200, MP2 folds, CO calls t200, Button folds.

Turn: (t1210) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t400</font>, CO calls t200, Hero calls t200.

River: (t2410) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t800 (All-In)</font>, MP1 calls t800 (All-In), CO calls t800 (All-In).

Final Pot: t4810

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ac Qd (three of a kind, queens).
MP1 has Jd Js (two pair, queens and jacks).
CO has Ks 3s (flush, king high).
Outcome: CO wins t4810. </font>

05-21-2005, 09:47 PM
please do not post the results, because those don't really matter.

I don't raise w/ AQo. I'd CONSIDER limping early. Flop play is fine. You need to dump it on the turn, you've hit an overcard, one person is showing strength.

05-21-2005, 09:51 PM
God knows I don't know anything about flop play, especially with deep stacks. But I'm pretty sure you played this incorrectly. You bet 200 into a 610 flop and someone w/ a overcard + K high flush draw called. He bet 200 on the turn w/ top pair and called the minraise. He hit the K high flush draw on the river and you moved all-in in front of him for 800 into a 2400 pot. If you have a fullhouse (doubtful anyone plays a fullhouse that slow given how coordinated that flop was) as often as 1/3 of the time, he's correct in calling.

05-21-2005, 09:52 PM
please do not post the results, because those don't really matter.

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ok... im new to posting just wanted to show the flush draw wondering if there is any way to get him out of the hand. only reason i showed. guess it doesnt really matter.

05-21-2005, 09:52 PM
I definitely bet more on the flop with all those players in (consider 3/4 pot or more). I dump it on the turn, even when getting some good odds to call. It's possible that you're drawing to as little as 1 clean out, since AK could be out based on the preflop action, and the Qs can hurt you pretty badly.

05-21-2005, 09:56 PM
so... what your saying is there is no possible way to win this pot without say pushing all in preflop which would be a horrible play. bet more on the flop then just check fold the turn ?

05-21-2005, 09:58 PM
You may have gotten him out of the hand if you bet somewhere closer to the pot on the flop.

But in lower level SNGs, some people just won't walk away from a high flush draw no matter what the pot is laying them.

Remember, don't complain about their bad play since bad play is what give you chips. Just make sure you're charging the correct price, and in this case I'm pretty sure you didn't.

05-21-2005, 10:06 PM
Agreed, pushing preflop is a terrible play.

In all seriousness, in Party if there was this much preflop action I might consider folding AQo because you're first to act and you're going to have a tough time not losing your shirt to AK if an ace falls.

That being said, I think it's a fine CALL with stacks this deep.

bet more on the flop then just check fold the turn ?

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Yes. On the turn, you have outs but those are highly contaminated. An ace on the river could kill you if a stubborn AK called your meek flop bet. Qs is going to fill in the extremely likely flush draw. In which case, you have two outs which I'd considered clear pushes. The aces are read dependent. The Qs I might call a small bet but I'm definitely not being aggressive with them.