View Full Version : Another poorly played hand?

loose passive
05-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Probably should have just folded preflop....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1440)
Button (t1440)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
Hero (t1640)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, Hero calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t100) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls t40.

Turn: (t260) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t80</font>, Hero?

05-20-2005, 07:59 PM
What's the problem? You have top pair, str8 draw, and a flush draw? He is giving great odds here. You have to at least call if not raise.

loose passive
05-20-2005, 08:24 PM
Well here is what happened.

I call the turn.
River is 4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Villain bets T150
I call. Villain shows AA.

05-20-2005, 08:28 PM
I lose a little more money by raising more on the flop. I think your play is fine here.

05-20-2005, 08:40 PM
1.) In Party this is a fold. In Stars, I think this is a limp. Extra convenient that everyone behind you folded so you will be last to act, which is exactly what you want with a big drawing hand.

2.) Don't minraise that flop. If all Villain has is a pair, you have 18 outs to improve. You're also drawing to 12 outs to a 5-card hand. You have to reraise harder and try to see how wedded Villain is to the pot.

3.) Reraise the turn and do it hard. I say to ~300 or so, though I don't know how to play Stars. If he pushes over the top, I think a while and call anyway because me likey play pokah. No, but because now you have top pair and you're no longer scared of someone with A /images/graemlins/club.gif3 /images/graemlins/club.gif or just ol'A /images/graemlins/club.gifX /images/graemlins/club.gif. If you're behind, you're behind. But your draw is fairly sexy. Just think "straight flush" and the cards will come.

05-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Don't be so results oriented. It's tough to get past the actual hand, but try to think of the range he could have had and not the specific cards.

Losing as little as you did when the stacks are that deep w/ top pair and a gazillion draws is not bad at all.

AA played this hand infinitely times worse than you did. Assuming he had red aces:

on the flop: you were 47% to win
on the turn: you were 39% to win

Your pot odds were right, your implied odds were great, and I'm pretty sure this is +EV. In an $11, 75% of the time Villain's not going to fold AA, no matter how many clubs fall. I've seen AA keep calling/betting on a 4-to-the-straight-flush board. It's almost better that he had AA than some marginal hand like A8 because it'll be harder for him to get away from when you hit your draw, even if it's just another J on the river. He'll most likely put you all-in, scream "RUNNER RUNNER JACK???", and complain about his bad beat in the chat box.