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KSakuraba
04-14-2005, 05:03 AM
I was testing some hands with http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem.php#
odds calculator and it always gave TT 0,1% better odds against AKo than QQ. Is this really so, or is it just because "figures are the result of a Monte Carlo simulation (sampling from the deal of a few thousand random hands)"

Just wondering...

Kristian
04-14-2005, 05:05 AM
It is really so, because of a slightly increased chance of a straight.

pzhon
04-14-2005, 07:25 AM
TwoDimes is exact for Hold'em.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=80184
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 735071 42.93 970542 56.68 6691 0.39 0.431
T/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 970542 56.68 735071 42.93 6691 0.39 0.569

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=117722
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 736843 43.03 968234 56.55 7227 0.42 0.432
Q/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 968234 56.55 736843 43.03 7227 0.42 0.568

There are two factors acting in opposite directions.

/images/graemlins/diamond.gif TT wins with straights more frequently than QQ does. A queen is part of only 3 straights, but a ten is part of 5 straights.

/images/graemlins/diamond.gif QQ wins more frequently with two pair, e.g., on a board of JJTT5, QQ wins, but on a board of QQJJ5, TT loses. In addition, QQ wins more frequently with a full house, e.g., on a board of AQJJJ, QQ has an overboat, but on a board of AJJJT, TT has an underboat.

The former is more important, so TT wins more against AK than QQ wins against AK. Lower pairs than TT win less frequently because they are counterfeited more often.

four eight suited
04-14-2005, 10:54 AM
This is the same reason that you want 77 or 66 more than you want KK, when playing against AA. There is less overlap in cards that help you and them. There are more straight possiblities and you really have all of your live outs

KSakuraba
04-15-2005, 11:28 AM
Of course...intuity in poker doesn't always work.=)
Thanks guys.