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porschepunk
10-21-2004, 08:34 PM
<font color="red"> hello all,

Hi. I need some help here. I love poker. See, the problem is, im just about to turn 18 in about a month. Ive done about 5-7 home games, with guys ages ranging from 48-17. Out of all the TOURNAMENT home games ive played, ive won all but maybe 1 . See, and these just arent with the same sucky guys. I can honestly say im a good poker player, especially for my age. My problem is, is that i really cant take it anywhere else but that. I play alot of online poker, but i dont have a credit card, or a checking account to freely throw money in my account, 1 because i dont have a career (if you know what im saying) and 2 because im not old enough. /images/graemlins/frown.gif So as far as online goes, im left with UB freerolls. I have played on my friends pokerstars account once, where i played in an EPT dublin sattelite where the top 2 go to the super sat. WEll of course i got 3rd out of like 200 so that made me feel grand. And you guys know how much poker freerolls suck because there is 2.5 million people in them and they just call and bet on anything. Plus, you have to get in the top top to actually win anything. Now i can easily get in the top 10% 80% of the time, its just man. its such a waste of time. And you know, i could go on and on about how much it sucks. My other option is indian casinos, but there is like 3 in california where you can be 18 ( which im going to the chumash on my b-day). so in other words it sucks. I probably could find a way to get some real money in my online account, but thats about it. So, thats my situation. Anyone in the same boat as me? Anyone have any ideas ( besides getting a fake id, hehe ) ? know of any good tournys where you only have to be 18? It sure does suck watching the world series of poker knowing that you cant get there until another 3 years....

CHOW!</font>

STLantny
10-21-2004, 08:45 PM
CHOW!

Being italian....that made me laugh like a bastard.

porschepunk
10-21-2004, 08:55 PM
hahahahaha.

sucka
10-21-2004, 09:06 PM
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Now i can easily get in the top 10% 80% of the time, its just man. its such a waste of time.

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This post has to go down as one of the funniest that I've read. That quote makes me laugh out loud.

Dude, grow up a little. Go to some parties, get laid, get some good grades and go to school. Poker will still be there... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

porschepunk
10-21-2004, 09:37 PM
yea yea, poker aint my life. Me loving poker and me doing other things besides it is not a question. I have college everyday and parties every other weekend. so pashaw to that. it just sucks to be so young.

Sponger15SB
10-21-2004, 09:47 PM
Well this all sounds VERY convincing.


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shadow29
10-21-2004, 10:04 PM
You can get free checking w/ no min deposit from Wachovia. Then use NetTeller to put your $$ on Party Poker and PM me your handle...

banditbdl
10-21-2004, 10:56 PM
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it just sucks to be so young.

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What do you want? A cookie?

As per your question, you don't necessarily need a credit card, you can use a check card that you can usually get for free with a free checking account at a local bank. Put a hundred bucks in a free checking account, put $50 of it into Party, Stars, UB or whatever, and go from there.

Michael Davis
10-22-2004, 12:03 AM
You are certainly lying. Probably you are a bad player, too.

-Michael

TomCollins
10-22-2004, 01:17 AM
Is there anything better than all the 18 yr old poker "pros"?

Answer in white:
<font color="white"> Yes. Once these pros get some serious cash, poker will be even better. </font>

BottlesOf
10-22-2004, 01:45 AM
First: Don't type in all red.

Second: Kill yourself.

AtlBrvs4Life
10-22-2004, 03:18 AM
So cruel, yet I couldn't help but to laugh out loud when I read this.

spamuell
10-22-2004, 04:05 AM
I'm 18, I play online for money and did so when I was 17.

It's really very easy, but if you're not smart enough to work it out, I doubt you're smart enough to win at poker.

GuyOnTilt
10-22-2004, 04:15 AM
but i dont have a credit card, or a checking account to freely throw money in my account,

Go down to your local branch and open a free checking account. You really need to anyway.

GoT

NLSoldier
10-22-2004, 05:39 AM
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Out of all the TOURNAMENT home games ive played, ive won all but maybe 1

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Dude you need to get a fake and get in the WSOP ASAP! You are obviosly the best player ever.

Seriosly thoough, i was the same way when i was like 16-17. And I simply had my friend who was 18 open an account and i gave him money to put in it. Now that Im 18 and have multiple accounts my 15 yr old brother plays on one of my older ones all the time...its really not hard to get an account if you put your mind to it instead of whining like a frickin baby, why dont you put in some effort if you really want to play. Or just read and study the game for a month so you are ready to actually win when you turn 18. Also, Im not sure where in CA you live, but the san diego area has plenty of indian casinos and to quote another 2+2er (the one with the my little pony avatar, ya him /images/graemlins/wink.gif ) "Commerce NEVER cards." So you could try going there too.

namknils
10-22-2004, 10:18 AM
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<font color="red"> I probably could find a way to get some real money in my online account, but thats about it.</font>

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/images/graemlins/confused.gifHuh? Isn't this what you're complaining about though, the fact that you can't play 'cause you're too young? If you can probably get some money in an account then do it, or don't do it. Whatever you want.

highlife
10-22-2004, 11:18 AM
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Or just read and study the game for a month so you are ready to actually win when you turn 18.

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I didn't know that studying for a month instantly made you a winning player.

dogmeat
10-22-2004, 02:05 PM
Enjoy it while you can! Before you know it, you will be cramming for your mid-terms and not getting any sleep. Then you will be crying how tough that is. Then you will get a "real" job, have to commute, get there on time, do what your boss says, etc.

Later you will get married, have children and be resonsible for them - try taking care of a baby for years! Dude - you have it made. Anybody over 25 will tell you the same thing. When you grow up a little you will find this all to be true - and you will say "man, I wish I was 18 and had no responsibilities again."

Dogmeat /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Gata Kamsky
10-22-2004, 02:33 PM
Your gonna regret not getting laid especially when your 25 and a poker bum. Maybe you'll be making 100k a year, maybe more if your really good. But paying for cheap las vegas hookers isn't going to make up for those memories you missed out on. Especially the nice young ............. , need i say more. Your 18, have fun. And chess will ruin your life worse than poker - stay away!

NLSoldier
10-22-2004, 02:35 PM
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I didn't know that studying for a month instantly made you a winning player.


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LOL, I didn't mean to imply that it would...but it would certainly help. And I think basically by reading SSH and applying the concepts, anyone with half a brain should be able to beat the low limits at party.

Justin A
10-22-2004, 03:54 PM
I just saw your info that says St. Cloud MN/San Diego. You ever watch the River Bats play in St. Cloud? They were one of the teams in my summer league a couple years ago. Oh, I also live in San Diego now.

The original post in this thread is just awesome. I wish I was that good at tourneys.

Justin A

SossMan
10-22-2004, 04:27 PM
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You are certainly lying. Probably you are a bad player, too.

-Michael

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<font color="red"> And you guys know how much poker freerolls suck because there is 2.5 million people in them and they just call and bet on anything. </font>

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you think?

jakethebake
10-22-2004, 04:33 PM
Is it just me or does this sound like an afterschool special in the making? "stay in school! Stay off poker! this is your brain on poker!" /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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The tough world of being 18 and being addicted to poker...

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Blarg
10-22-2004, 05:36 PM
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Commerce NEVER cards

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I've seen Commerce card a few times.

For the real young, if you do go to the Commerce, be sure you don't get carried away and try to order booze. They will card you if you look too young. And then, if you are too young to be playing, you might have to leave the casino just because you got silly and tried to push your luck.

sthief09
10-22-2004, 05:36 PM
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hahahahaha.

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he's laughing at you, not with you. it's spelled "ciao"

sthief09
10-22-2004, 05:37 PM
ZeeJustin seems to be doing fine. ask him how Aruba was...

NLSoldier
10-22-2004, 05:43 PM
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For the real young, if you do go to the Commerce, be sure you don't get carried away and try to order booze.

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Thats a good point, getting a beer is definately not worth the risk of gettin kicked out.

HUSKER'66
10-22-2004, 07:00 PM
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CHOW!

Being italian....that made me laugh like a bastard.

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Being a bastard....that didn't make me laugh at all.

SossMan
10-23-2004, 09:12 AM
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Commerce NEVER cards

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oh, and be sure to NOT hit a jackpot, or you may have some not very happy asians waiting for you in the parking lot.

cianosheehan
10-23-2004, 11:04 AM
I find the way alot of people respond to posts like this (ie original post) very arrogant and rude. Yes the guy doesnt know alot about poker, but he knows the same amount that everyone else on this forum once knew in their life. He has an obviously high level of enthusiasm for the game, and has come to this forum seeking advice. Not to be shotdown by smart little answers by people who want to show off that they know more than him. You make fun of how he is immature etc, but really they are the qualities shining through your hilarious posts.

Sponger15SB
10-23-2004, 12:38 PM
No way, this guy is a much better poker player than all of us. C'mon in his little home game tourneys he has won all of them but one. I can't say that I've done that.

We should all be seeking advice from him.

NLSoldier
10-23-2004, 02:09 PM
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oh, and be sure to NOT hit a jackpot, or you may have some not very happy asians waiting for you in the parking lot.


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Meh, I have heard of people who have just left and passed on their table share...it would be pretty sickening to have to muck the jackpot hand if you were the one who was gonnna get the big share though.

tripdad
10-23-2004, 04:37 PM
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I find the way alot of people respond to posts like this (ie original post) very arrogant and rude. Yes the guy doesnt know alot about poker, but he knows the same amount that everyone else on this forum once knew in their life. He has an obviously high level of enthusiasm for the game, and has come to this forum seeking advice. Not to be shotdown by smart little answers by people who want to show off that they know more than him. You make fun of how he is immature etc, but really they are the qualities shining through your hilarious posts.

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i completely agree with you, cianosheehan.

as for the almost 18 year old newbie, some advice. first, get a job. you are old enough to do that these days. i had my first one at 14 and haven't been unemployed in the 18 yrs. since.

scratch together $100 somehow. get pokertracker or some other tracking program for online play first. put the rest in the online poker room of your choice. you can give cash to an of-age friend and have him/her purchase PT for you and transfer $$$ from their real money account into yours.

play within your bankroll...very important. i have a nephew who gave me $50, and i transfered it from my party account to his. he built it up...in one week...to $1700+. he thought he was the bomb, so he started playing $10/20 SH and blew through EVERY PENNY in less than 2 hours. stay within your BR and in a game you are pretty confident you can beat.

study the game, move up as your bankroll grows, and have fun. don't ever think you are head and shoulders above others skill-wise. that is something that will surely put the brakes on your long term progress.

cheers!

Topflight
10-25-2004, 01:11 PM
wow!

Your results thus far are quite impressive. You should probably see if any 2+2ers will stake you. I think you could probably come up with a proposition that many posters would love to get in on.

Sponger15SB
10-25-2004, 02:42 PM
standard deal:

I get 100% of the wins and you give me back 200% of the losses

Cry Me A River
10-25-2004, 04:56 PM
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So as far as online goes, im left with UB freerolls.
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My question is: What kind of poker genius thinks UB is the only poker site on the net with freerolls?

UB has quite possibly the worst freerolls on the net. Next to Stars, anyway.

kiemo
10-25-2004, 06:21 PM
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No way, this guy is a much better poker player than all of us. C'mon in his little home game tourneys he has won all of them but one. I can't say that I've done that.



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Well he didnt win them all. "Out of all the TOURNAMENT home games ive played, ive won all but maybe 1"


And with the massive number of tournaments he has played in (5-7) who can blame him for forgetting he might not have taken first at one or more of them.

B Dids
10-26-2004, 11:27 AM
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oh, and be sure to NOT hit a jackpot, or you may have some not very happy asians waiting for you in the parking lot.


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Meh, I have heard of people who have just left and passed on their table share...it would be pretty sickening to have to muck the jackpot hand if you were the one who was gonnna get the big share though.

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Can somebody explain this further? Is this something crooked with the Commerce, or is it just that you're likely to get robbed on your way out?

Btw- to everybody who thinks that folks are being too harsh to the original poster, IMO- the fact that he's obviously lying makes him exempt from pity.

obithrawn
10-26-2004, 11:32 AM
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Btw- to everybody who thinks that folks are being too harsh to the original poster, IMO- the fact that he's obviously lying makes him exempt from pity.

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I don't think hes lying, I think hes actually just that naive. I'm sure this is a typical attitude of a lot of people, go on a small run and beat locals and then think they're the greatest in the world.

Also, I'm 18 and have also been playing since 17. Its not hard.

Sundevils21
10-26-2004, 11:46 AM
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I'm 18, I play online for money and did so when I was 17.

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ditto. I started at 17.

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It's really very easy, but if you're not smart enough to work it out, I doubt you're smart enough to win at poker.

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exactly

M2d
10-26-2004, 12:39 PM
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Can somebody explain this further? Is this something crooked with the Commerce, or is it just that you're likely to get robbed on your way out?

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if he hits a JP, it will be nullified by management when they check his ID and discover he's underage.

MrDannimal
10-26-2004, 12:51 PM
Can't you use UB points to enter cash tournies? Okay, I know the answer to that question is yes, because I entered a $5+1 MTT for like 1000+200 UB Points a couple of weeks ago.

That tournament paid out cash money (to my 34th place ass, it was like $11).

I don't know where that $$ would go if you'd never deposited, but I'd bet it would be available as cash regardless.

Thus, you take your M@d SK1LLZ! and play in some games to generate UB points (NL ring for points, SNGs that pay our points...). You take those points and enter cash tournies. You take the cash you win, and enter bigger tournies or play ring games.

Presto! You've got a poker account flush with cash.

As good as you are, this should be no problem and you'll be a poker phenom in days.

josh1122
10-26-2004, 06:30 PM
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I'm 18, I play online for money and did so when I was 17.

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ditto. I started at 17.

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It's really very easy, but if you're not smart enough to work it out, I doubt you're smart enough to win at poker.

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exactly

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Yep. I'm 17 now, and I've been playing online since August. Like someone else said, just pay a friend cash and have them transfer you money at a site. If you can't register because you're underage just sign up under a parent's name (If they dont like it, do it without their knowledge. I'm sure you do other things that they don't know about and also don't like.)

The_Tracker
10-26-2004, 07:56 PM
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<font color="red"> It sure does suck watching the world series of poker knowing that you cant get there until another 3 years....

CHOW!</font>

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So you are 18 years old and have no checking account and probably no job, but are bummed about having to wait 3 years for the WSOP? I hope this was a joke.
You do know its a $10,000 buy-in for the main event right?

This post made me laugh.

ChrisCo
10-26-2004, 09:22 PM
Im 17 and i have been playing for about 9 months and have made far more than all of my friends that have jobs. And I have a life as a senior in highschool that is looking at some good UC's to go to next year.

34TheTruth34
10-27-2004, 12:31 PM
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First: Don't type in all red.

Second: Kill yourself.


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yes, but if he kills himself FIRST, then he wont have to worry about typing in all red...

digdeep
10-27-2004, 03:53 PM
Porschepunk - Sounds like you may have some decent skills. Aside from the comments that have been made regarding this post...Try some of the ideas presented...Sign up for a checking account, transfer into netteller, and then into Party. Go from there. Additionally, look for games where you live. Talk to people, search the internet... Once you find a game or two, you will learn about countless others that could care less how old you are.

If your bankroll is an issue, deposit money into Stars, or another site that has the nanolimits, you can start with as little as $20.


As many people have already stated, enjoy your youth. I was anxious to grow up, but the older you get the more you miss being young. Life is about appreciating the present, try to appreciate your youth - it truly is a wonderful thing.

digdeep
10-27-2004, 04:12 PM
It is absolutely amazing how rude and disrespectful many of you can be? What purpose does that serve? The kid clearly states that he is not even 18...what else do you want? He is a bit naive, and even a little arrogant. Many of you were the same way when you started playing; because if you weren't, you wouldn't still be playing.

Furthermore, what does it accomplish to tell someone to "kill yourself"? How does that even cross your mind? Is that something you think about on a daily basis? Have you ever really struggled in life, and learned how lucky you are to be alive? I could easily try to psycho-analyze you and the others that find it rewarding or even humerous to respond with insults and degradation, but you need to do that for yourselves. Life is too short to be an a$$hole, if you don't have anything better to do than spew out negative malicious rhetoric, than go see a psycho-therapist.

The only reason I post this, is because many of you lack compassion. If you are joking with another poster with whom you have established a repore, than fine. This was the kid's first post, and you people want to respond like this. He was asking for advice, not providing a means by which many of you can release your frustrations and insecurites, in an attempt to fell better about yourselves.

And it is interesting how group think works. You have a couple of posters create this negative tone on a board, and everyone else feeds into that same line of thinking?

BottlesOf
10-27-2004, 04:18 PM
I've read several of your posts today. All you seem to do is go through threads and berate posters for being "mean" or "cynical." You know what? Lighten up. Contribute something poker related, and don't worry about other posters. Then, throw yourself away.

digdeep
10-27-2004, 04:19 PM
You are a joke... Truly... A Joke...

jakethebake
10-27-2004, 04:39 PM
We should all strive to be kinder, gentler poker players. Can I get a group hug? How about a round of Kumbayah? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

spamuell
10-27-2004, 05:07 PM
I hate to disappoint you, but it's impossible to feel good in the morning. If you're trying to, you might as well just kill yourself now.

N.B. It's a bunch of people joking around on a freaking messageboard, if anyone actually thought that anyone else would kill themselves due to a reply to their post, I can assure you that your post would have a lot more replies of the nature of this one.

digdeep
10-27-2004, 05:30 PM
I understand the humor of the entire post, but I am able to understand the humor because I have been reading and posting here for several months. And the majority of other posters who found humor were veteran posters as well. For a first time poster, who happens to be a teenager (who's psyche is fragile at best), I don't necessarily believe that he would find the humor in these responses. Has the orinigal poster posted after he was met with the incessant heckling?

As I mentioned... for those that are familiar with the sight, and the nature of the beast, I don't think the sarcastic comments are so dramatically destructive. But for new posters, who are looking for reassurance and insights from veteran players, the outright rude cynicism is unnecessary.

This post resulted in a place for everyone and anyone to be saracastic... And the sarcasm was funny, but how much reiteration of the same sarcastic cynical rhetoric is too much? And where do you draw the line?

jakethebake
10-27-2004, 05:32 PM
If his psyche is so fragile they're doing him a favor by running him off. But what you're saying is we should encourage teenage gambling. Oh sorry. I didn't get that the first time.
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I understand the humor of the entire post, but I am able to understand the humor because I have been reading and posting here for several months. And the majority of other posters who found humor were veteran posters as well. For a first time poster, who happens to be a teenager (who's psyche is fragile at best), I don't necessarily believe that he would find the humor in these responses. Has the orinigal poster posted after he was met with the incessant heckling?

As I mentioned... for those that are familiar with the sight, and the nature of the beast, I don't think the sarcastic comments are so dramatically destructive. But for new posters, who are looking for reassurance and insights from veteran players, the outright rude cynicism is unnecessary.

This post resulted in a place for everyone and anyone to be saracastic... And the sarcasm was funny, but how much reiteration of the same sarcastic cynical rhetoric is too much? And where do you draw the line?

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spamuell
10-27-2004, 05:42 PM
I understand the humor of the entire post, but I am able to understand the humor because I have been reading and posting here for several months.

Oh, so that's where people get their senses of humour from, twoplustwo. How unfair of us to pick on a new poster who clearly could not have had the chance to develop a sense of wit yet.

For a first time poster, who happens to be a teenager (who's psyche is fragile at best), I don't necessarily believe that he would find the humor in these responses.

You're right, teenagers these days are very fragile. I'm 18 and your response to my post has reduced me to tears.

Has the orinigal poster posted after he was met with the incessant heckling?

No, because no one posted "you are a unique genius prodigy. Let me transfer you my whole BR to stake you for 15/30. I'll eat the losses and you can take all the winnings as long as you remember me when you win the WSOP."

But for new posters, who are looking for reassurance and insights from veteran players, the outright rude cynicism is unnecessary.

People can't be bothered with posters who can't be bothered to lurk before they post stupid things.

This post resulted in a place for everyone and anyone to be saracastic... And the sarcasm was funny, but how much reiteration of the same sarcastic cynical rhetoric is too much? And where do you draw the line?

Too much sarcasm? Yeah, like that can ever happen.

digdeep
10-27-2004, 05:44 PM
Encourage teenage gambling? When did you start playing poker? I am guessing a majority of the players on this site started playing when they were teenagers.

And if anyone was trying to discourage him from gambling, then come out and tell the kid, "don't gamble"! I don't see how the sarcasm (taken to the extreme), whether humerous or not to some, is constructive in effectively discouraging him from gambling until he is older.

Explain what running him off if his psyche is fragile achieves? Everyone has a fragile psyche for some part of the their life...

digdeep
10-27-2004, 05:46 PM
Being that you are 18... and British... explains your point of view.

spamuell
10-27-2004, 05:55 PM
Being that you are 18... and British... explains your point of view.

Being that you are ageist... and racist... does not explain your prior over-sensitivity.

digdeep
10-27-2004, 07:29 PM
Its called Sarcasm....

I am neither racist nor ageist... no need to be so sensitive.

spamuell
10-27-2004, 07:41 PM
I am neither racist nor ageist... no need to be so sensitive.

Making a derogatory remark about someone due to something they have said is rude.

Making a negative generalisation about someone due to their nationality is racist.

Blarg
10-27-2004, 07:42 PM
They say bullying reaches its peak at about age 11, in the sixth grade. But it carries over. Sarcasm also seems like sheer, unstoppable genius at first, but for most kids only for a few years, and then they realize how stupid it is. Most grow out of it, but many don't, not for a very long time. Treasuring sarcasm is kind of a willful prolonged adolescence. Telling someone they should cool out on it is like asking a baby to step out of the womb...SCREW YOU!

You're about as likely to get maturity out of an adolescent as you are to get someone to drop their religion or political affiliation. Or even to think seriously about it. All you'll get is a blast of sound bites, mostly stupid and abrasive. That's the currency of the adolescent mind.

I can see your not wanting to traffic in that currency, but if you take that away from the kids, they'll have nothing to play with at all. Then they'll really be screwed -- even more helpless than they already demonstrate they feel. Good luck on that one.

It's just the way of the internet. If anyone comes here looking for good judgment -- just stick to the cards.

spamuell
10-27-2004, 07:51 PM
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Sarcasm also seems like sheer, unstoppable genius at first, but for most kids only for a few years, and then they realize how stupid it is. Most grow out of it, but many don't, not for a very long time. Treasuring sarcasm is kind of a willful prolonged adolescence.

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Some of the funniest remarks in the world are just sarcastic, deadpan comments which could almost be serious.

Think Paul Merton or Ricky Gervais. We're not talking about teenagers here.

digdeep
10-27-2004, 09:19 PM
Excellent post Blarg. Very well said.

CrackerZack
10-27-2004, 10:42 PM
Is British a race? Can we get a ruling on this?

Rooster71
10-27-2004, 11:26 PM
This is the funniest post I've seen in quite a while. My favorite part is "I can honestly say im a good poker player, especially for my age." How many people have you ever met who say "I can honestly say I am a bad poker player"?

Then there's the statement "I play alot of online poker", then complaints about not having a way to put money into an account. WTF? This leads me to think this guy has been playing with play money. LOL...that's a great way for someone to find that they are "a good poker player".

digdeep
10-27-2004, 11:59 PM
I wondered the same thing when I was accused of being racist. Is my comment racist? I second the request for a ruling on this one.

Turkish
10-28-2004, 12:11 AM
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First: Don't type in all red.

Second: Kill yourself.

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This had me in tears

Jman28
10-28-2004, 01:40 AM
[ QUOTE ]
They say bullying reaches its peak at about age 11, in the sixth grade. But it carries over. Sarcasm also seems like sheer, unstoppable genius at first, but for most kids only for a few years, and then they realize how stupid it is. Most grow out of it, but many don't, not for a very long time. Treasuring sarcasm is kind of a willful prolonged adolescence. Telling someone they should cool out on it is like asking a baby to step out of the womb...SCREW YOU!

You're about as likely to get maturity out of an adolescent as you are to get someone to drop their religion or political affiliation. Or even to think seriously about it. All you'll get is a blast of sound bites, mostly stupid and abrasive. That's the currency of the adolescent mind.

I can see your not wanting to traffic in that currency, but if you take that away from the kids, they'll have nothing to play with at all. Then they'll really be screwed -- even more helpless than they already demonstrate they feel. Good luck on that one.

It's just the way of the internet. If anyone comes here looking for good judgment -- just stick to the cards.

[/ QUOTE ]

Very good post... you too digdeep

spamuell
10-28-2004, 04:24 AM
Is British a race? Can we get a ruling on this?

[ QUOTE ]
race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.
Biology.
An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.


[/ QUOTE ]

It satisfies the second definition.

I think the criticism of sarcasm in this thread is ridiculous. Most of the sarcastic comments are pretty funny, while the ones against sarcasm are all like "good post".

I realise that those people are pretty jealous that they lack the rapier-like wit of some on these boards, but to turn this into a rant about today's youth, sarcasm and even the British is just innapropriate and unfair.

Michael Davis
10-28-2004, 04:48 AM
Actually, this happened to me. For God knows what reason, I didn't have my ID on me when I went the day I got a table share. All that happens is they hold your money and you have to bring in ID to get it. Everyone else gets paid.

-Michael

The once and future king
10-28-2004, 07:35 AM
I think immaturity exprersses itself much more as a tendency to make assumptions and pass opinion on other peoples behaviour as though you are somehow above and superior to said behaviour.

Grow up and relax.

mackthefork
10-28-2004, 08:58 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Its called Sarcasm....

I am neither racist nor ageist... no need to be so sensitive.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is called irony, do you see why?

Regards Mack

mackthefork
10-28-2004, 09:04 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Quote:
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Sarcasm also seems like sheer, unstoppable genius at first, but for most kids only for a few years, and then they realize how stupid it is. Most grow out of it, but many don't, not for a very long time. Treasuring sarcasm is kind of a willful prolonged adolescence.


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Some of the funniest remarks in the world are just sarcastic, deadpan comments which could almost be serious.

Think Paul Merton or Ricky Gervais. We're not talking about teenagers here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Theres no point in arguing about it, if hes from the US his tastes will be completely different, Blackadder and Red Dwarf are just 30 mins of sarcasm from one end to the other, I've often laughed so hard I stopped breathing watching those shows. Sarcasm is the highest form of wit, no doubt.

Regards Mack

mackthefork
10-28-2004, 09:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I think the criticism of sarcasm in this thread is ridiculous. Most of the sarcastic comments are pretty funny, while the ones against sarcasm are all like "good post".


[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed, oh well maybe they are just being sarcastic.

Regards Mack

B Dids
10-28-2004, 11:05 AM
[ QUOTE ]
It is absolutely amazing how rude and disrespectful many of you can be? What purpose does that serve? The kid clearly states that he is not even 18...what else do you want?

[/ QUOTE ]

I want him not to lie.

If he seemed honest, I'm sure he'd get more honest and reasonable responses. Given that the original post reaked of bullshit, the responses did as well. Such is life.

digdeep
10-28-2004, 12:30 PM
B dids -

I appreciate your insight and interpretation of why people responded with the sarcasm. In all honesty, I don't think the kid lied once in his post. Being good or great at poker is all relative... If he has won every tournament he has played, whether WSOP or home games, he has the false precept that he is damn good. For players that have played thousands of hands and played for several years, this may seem a little naive. However, I felt he was being genuine. His arrogance came off because he felt initimidated, and therefore compensated for his lack of experience by announcing what limited success he has had.

Furthermore, understanding arrogance from a psychological level, which is a way to compensate for underlying insecurities and emotional fragilities, makes everyone's sarcastic responses even worse.

If you think the kid was delusional in his assertion that he was a good player, that can win 80% of the tournaments he has played, then why not tell him that he may be having beginners luck, and in playing more he will discover that winning 80% of the time is a statistical abberation.

It takes courage, moreso for some than for others, to begin posting on this site. Discouraging one's efforts with distasteful responses is malicious and unnecessary.

Cry Me A River
10-28-2004, 01:43 PM
[ QUOTE ]

It is absolutely amazing how rude and disrespectful many of you can be?

[/ QUOTE ]

Digdeep,

You do realise that the only thing more counter-productive than a table coach is a forum coach, don't you?

A table coach might actually convince some fish to learn the game, which I suppose on some grand scale could be considered a good thing. The impact of a forum coach, on the other hand, is limited to the creation of new flame wars, like this one, and the associated increase in rudeness.

Good job!!

spamuell
10-28-2004, 02:54 PM
It takes courage, moreso for some than for others, to begin posting on this site.

Yeah, posting anonymously on an internet messageboard does take courage, and it's an important step in the progression to one day talking to someone in real life.


Get real, it doesn't take courage to post about how <font color="red"> my p0ker skeelz fuk!n r9x0rzz!!1111 </font>. Stop bloating this thread with out of place responses like, understanding arrogance from a psychological level, which is a way to compensate for underlying insecurities and emotional fragilities blah blah. The original poster clearly put very little effort into reading the boards before posting. The responses that he received mirrored the effort that he put in.

All this talk of underlying insecurities and emotional fragility is just absurd. It's possible, but there's really nothing for you to base it on.

I'm not going to reply to this thread again, unless someone says something that immensely pisses me off.

Blarg
10-28-2004, 04:08 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I think immaturity exprersses itself much more as a tendency to make assumptions and pass opinion on other peoples behaviour as though you are somehow above and superior to said behaviour.


[/ QUOTE ]

You should have taken your own advice before posting your own comment, if you believed it. Since it looks like you don't, why bother?

From what height is it that you look down on people and tell them to grow up and relax, pray tell? It looks like a clearly imaginary one to me.

And this from the guy who implies he's not judging -- itself a phony and useless assertion, because everyone judges all the time, pretending otherwise is foolish, and asserting otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme. Who are you trying to kid?

If your motivation for your self-contradictory remarks is that you find sarcasm a rich and useful contribution anywhere and that it should be defended, and that anyone benefits from more rather than less of it, then you've got quite a bit of growing up to do yourself, and are in the last position to be doing the judging you pretend to above and hypocritically pretend to be avoiding. If it's just blowing off steam, swell, but find a more productive way to do it.

Addressing the value of sarcasm generally is much more intelligent and less obnoxious than your choice of simply making a hypocritical attack directly at a particular poster. It's no surprise that doing so is entirely in keeping with the bad behavior you've come riding in to rescue.

Blarg
10-28-2004, 04:20 PM
[ QUOTE ]
the rapier-like wit of some on these boards]

[/ QUOTE ]

Please tell me you're kidding. I can't remember the last time I've seen standards so low.

The criticisms couldn't be more appropriate. This board has a wide reputation as having quite a share of jerks. Sarcasm bears some relation to being entertaining mostly in the minds of kids. (I'm not talking about t.v. shows -- I don't see any comedy here worth broadcasting, and haven't seen the particular shows mentioned.) It's one of the things that makes them so insufferable. After a while it's not so stunning a revelation. Yet no kid likes to hear he's acting like a kid, especially when he's thinking he's exercising a "rapier-like" wit. It's quite a come-down from powerful, inspired genius to hapless, tedious fool.

Few kids like to admit how obnoxious they are, and few adults like hanging around kids. It's no accident, and not because adults for some inexplicable reason can't seem to appreciate the genius of the way kids interact.

Or maybe everything really is always the other guy's fault, and waiting for every opportunity to come out with some lame sarcasm really does make for something nobody has ever heard the likes of before, and such rapier-like wit really enhances conversations and contributes a whole lot.

On the other hand, maybe it's just being lazy and jerky and egotistical. Childish, in short.

But I could be wrong on this one.

digdeep
10-28-2004, 04:25 PM
"Out of place responses."

Son, think of what you say before you say it. My responses are far more relevant and constructive to any post, whether directly relevant or not, than sarcastic remarks aimed at proving how "witty" you are. If your intentions in posting are to gain respect from the other posters on this site through your sarcastic responses, from which you feel better about yourself, than that is your agenda and your right.

Clearly though, your age and immaturity are more apparent with every additional post you write. So, if you don't want to reply to my posts... don't. And if you are angered by my posts, reply with a collection of your finest, and most witty, sarcastic remarks.

digdeep
10-28-2004, 04:28 PM
Counter productive?

This is a forum... and a forum entitled "News, Views, Gossip".

Forum Coach. No. Just posting my thoughts and opinions the same way you, and everybody else does.

spamuell
10-28-2004, 05:13 PM
Well, I have been goaded into a response.

[ QUOTE ]
the rapier-like wit of some on these boards


Please tell me you're kidding.


[/ QUOTE ]

Um, I was kidding? I was being sarcastic about how lame it was that you were jealous of a bunch of people who weren't that funny.

Having said that, there are some pretty funny responses in this thread and some really very witty posters on these boards.

Few kids like to admit how obnoxious they are, and few adults like hanging around kids.

Few adults like to admit how obnoxious they are either. I'm pretty sure if I told you that you are being exceedingly arrogant, you'd brush it off as a remark from a dumb kid who doesn't understand life at all. That's ok though, you're infinitely wiser than I am, who am I to judge?

This board has a wide reputation as having quite a share of jerks.

I can't absolutely say that this isn't true but I really doubt the twoplustwo forums have a reputation which most people would refer to as "widespread". Where, specifically, are you talking about? I'm really not a jerk, if you ever read the limit hold'em strategy forums then you will see this.


But I could be wrong on this one.

Is someone being sarcastic? Now that is just childish.

spamuell
10-28-2004, 05:23 PM
If your intentions in posting are to gain respect from the other posters on this site through your sarcastic responses, from which you feel better about yourself, than that is your agenda and your right.

Yes, I have 1700 posts and I thought I'd say something sarcastic to gain respect, because no one who notices these things is going to have any idea who I am.

I reply to your posts because I detest the smug tone in them, as if you are an infinitely wise old man who is gently admonishing younger posters for their behaviour, when actually your replies are more about making yourself feel better than mine are.

There are posters who can come across as gentlemen who are genuinely concerned and kind, Andy Fox is a good example. In fact, if I knew that Andy Fox was reading this, even though he doesn't know me, I would cringe because I am being rude in places where I don't need to be.

But knowing that you, digdeep, are reading this does not make me feel bad at all because you are patronising, self-indulgent and didactic where your posts denote that you should take your own advice about being "dramatically destructive" before preaching to others.

BottlesOf
10-28-2004, 05:47 PM
ZING!

Blarg
10-28-2004, 07:34 PM
[ QUOTE ]
jealous of a bunch of people who weren't that funny

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think you even believed that one yourself.

[ QUOTE ]
there are some pretty funny responses in this thread and some really very witty posters on these boards

[/ QUOTE ]

Matter of opinion I guess. There's some occasional wit on these forums, but I wouldn't look for any in this thread.

[ QUOTE ]
Where, specifically, are you talking about?

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't want to engender enmity from one board to another, but if for some reason it's important to you, or you are really shocked that the sarcasm here is both noted and often not particularly admired by a lot of people, you can PM me and I'll tell you.

[ QUOTE ]
who am I to judge?

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly who you need to be, if you do it fairly. Your remarks in that paragraph make that doubtful, but you'll judge anyway. That's just human; no sense pretending different.

[ QUOTE ]
I'm really not a jerk

[/ QUOTE ]

I never said you were. You seem to have taken some things wrongly. There's a difference between being stupid, doing stupid things, and endorsing the stupid things done by others. I'd don't find any reason to say you're a jerk so far and haven't said it. However, I do think being sarcastic almost never contributes anything to a discussion; it usually just replaces useful discussion with something worthless. I think your endorsing jerky things is foolish, but there are worse crimes in life, and that doesn't make you a jerk. Still, the sarcasm here contributes little and sometimes detracts a lot, and it's perfectly fair to say so. I hope you can separate criticism of that behavior and of that mindset out from some personal attack on you, which it really isn't.

[ QUOTE ]
But I could be wrong on this one.

Is someone being sarcastic? Now that is just childish.

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course it is. That's exactly why I wrote it in the first place. And at least I'll admit it.

Key thing though - it wasn't hostile. More like silly. Hostility is over-rated. By my reckoning, that's the whole point digdeep and I were trying to make in the first place.

tripdad
10-29-2004, 12:34 AM
[ QUOTE ]
It is absolutely amazing how rude and disrespectful many of you can be? What purpose does that serve? The kid clearly states that he is not even 18...what else do you want? He is a bit naive, and even a little arrogant. Many of you were the same way when you started playing; because if you weren't, you wouldn't still be playing.

Furthermore, what does it accomplish to tell someone to "kill yourself"? How does that even cross your mind? Is that something you think about on a daily basis? Have you ever really struggled in life, and learned how lucky you are to be alive? I could easily try to psycho-analyze you and the others that find it rewarding or even humerous to respond with insults and degradation, but you need to do that for yourselves. Life is too short to be an a$$hole, if you don't have anything better to do than spew out negative malicious rhetoric, than go see a psycho-therapist.

The only reason I post this, is because many of you lack compassion. If you are joking with another poster with whom you have established a repore, than fine. This was the kid's first post, and you people want to respond like this. He was asking for advice, not providing a means by which many of you can release your frustrations and insecurites, in an attempt to fell better about yourselves.

And it is interesting how group think works. You have a couple of posters create this negative tone on a board, and everyone else feeds into that same line of thinking?

[/ QUOTE ]

when you make a response like this, make certain it is directed to the intended party. i never berated or criticized this poster.

cheers!

digdeep
10-29-2004, 12:54 AM
Sorry if it seemed that way. My response to your post was in support of your assertion that the rude replies were unncessary and destructive. If I either misinterpreted your post, or ignorantly replied to the wrong post - I surely apologize.

I was just trying to elaborate on your point, which I agreed with completely.

Ogre
10-29-2004, 01:53 AM
Play in True Poker's Noobie s&amp;gs. Place in one of those and take the real money you have won and bring it to the very soft nl 50 tables. I won about $500 there and deposited nothing.

NLSoldier
10-29-2004, 04:31 AM
Ogre you suck too! Why dont you take your 500 bucks and go play in the WSOP! Oh wait... I forgot you are only 15!


PS-Before you all freak out on me for ripping on young ogre, note that he is my little brother and therefore its my responsibilty to do so/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, will you guys help me convince him that he needs to stop being such a sally and move up to 30+3 SNGs...

The once and future king
10-29-2004, 08:31 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Furthermore, understanding arrogance from a psychological level, which is a way to compensate for underlying insecurities and emotional fragilities, makes everyone's sarcastic responses even worse

[/ QUOTE ]

The irony is that this is by far the most arrogant and bigoted post I have ever read on this forum.

The once and future king
10-29-2004, 09:19 AM
It is not judgement that is the problem. It is the inherent belief that ones judgement is somehow superior and more valid to those of other posters when in fact it is just merely your opinion.

I attacked you intialy because you presumed that you could objectify the behaviour/motivations of other posters and then arrive at objective truths about there sarcasm and maturity etc.

If you notice I start my post with [ QUOTE ]
I think

[/ QUOTE ] therefore refrencing the following opinion as just that, an opinion.

Of course people will express opinions, however when someone expresses a mere opinion and then tries to assert that that opinion is somehow more than just an opinion and somehow refers to a transcendental truth of which only that poster is cogniscant then that poster needs to be called out and reminded that they are just expressing an opinion and that is all. Also I it is my opinion that to express opinions in this way is a form of intellectual immaturity.

As far as I am concerned the sarcasm on this board is sometimes very amusing. I don not need you to explain the true nature of that sarcasm as immature and unproductive.

If you can possibly venture an actual reasoned arguement instead of didactic statements, one that actualy refers to rational assertions then I may be more receptive to any arguement you might possibly have.

GuyOnTilt
10-29-2004, 09:37 AM
Is British a race? Can we get a ruling on this?

People confuse race with ethnicity all the time. The majority probably don't know that there's even a distinction. Classically, there are only three human races: Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid. Modern science and thinking is moving more and more toward disregarding the idea of race altogether and thinking only in terms of ethnicity. Either way, British is most definitely not a race.

GoT

The once and future king
10-29-2004, 09:41 AM
When I call an italian a greasy wop, what is that if it is not racism?

GuyOnTilt
10-29-2004, 09:50 AM
When I call an italian a greasy wop, what is that if it is not racism?

Like I said, the vast majority of people don't know that there's even a distinction between ethnicity and race, so yes, it's commonly referred to as race and racisim. Technically speaking, I suppose ethnic discrimination would be better, but racism has become the socially accepted term so whatev. That really doesn't bother me, but referring to someone's ethnicity as their race kind of does at times, especially now that the concept of race is scienticially under question anyway.

GoT

The once and future king
10-29-2004, 09:52 AM
So technicaly speaking I would be being an ethnicst were I to say such a thing?

GuyOnTilt
10-29-2004, 10:02 AM
So technicaly speaking I would be being an ethnicst were I to say such a thing?

Sure.

GoT

spamuell
10-29-2004, 10:22 AM
Either way, British is most definitely not a race.

Is German a race?

My post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=1187009&amp;page=0&amp;view=e xpanded&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;vc=1) in this thread which contains the dictionary.com definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race).

GuyOnTilt
10-29-2004, 10:38 AM
Is German a race?

No.

My post in this thread which contains the dictionary.com definition.

Yeah, I understand that race has become the commonly used term for ethnicity, but that doesn't mean that's its correct definition. Also, dictionary.com is a horrible source for information or definitions; wikipedia.com is a much better and more complete free online source for any random info you want to overview briefly. But neither should be relied upon as solid information for in-depth topics.

GoT

spamuell
10-29-2004, 10:50 AM
I understand that race has become the commonly used term for ethnicity, but that doesn't mean that's its correct definition. Also, dictionary.com is a horrible source for information or definitions

OK, this thread has had so many tangents that another one won't make any difference. Do you not agree that, at some stage of a word being commonly used, it does become the correct definition? And if you do agree this, where would you draw the line between it being overused slang/misuse of language and a new definition? Perhaps when it makes it into the dictionary?

I realise dictionary.com is not uncontestable but it's a reasonably good source. Anyway, check the Merriam-Webster's (http://www.m-w.com/) online defintion for:

[ QUOTE ]
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics &lt;the English race&gt;

[/ QUOTE ]

or the Cambridge University Press Advanced Dictionary (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=65069&amp;dict=CALD)'s defintion for:

[ QUOTE ]
race [Show phonetics]
group noun [C]
a group of people who share the same language, history, characteristics, etc:
LITERARY The British are an island race.


[/ QUOTE ]

/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

GuyOnTilt
10-29-2004, 11:03 AM
Yeah, for the most part I agree with the whole accepted usage thing, and race has become the commonly used term for both ethnicity and nationality, but in this specific case race is a scientifcally defined term, and the general public not understanding and misusing a scientifically defined term doesn't change the science behind it. FWIW, I had to take a semester long course that was dedicated to this topic for a scholarship.

And to answer the original question, British is a nationality.

GoT

astroglide
10-29-2004, 11:18 AM
i skim all the threads in this subforum. this one is constantly replied to and i have NO CLUE what it is about.

spamuell
10-29-2004, 11:26 AM
i skim all the threads in this subforum. this one is constantly replied to and i have NO CLUE what it is about.

You could read it?

It's just a lot of people making a point of proving that they are correct, so nothing that you'd be familiar with. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

astroglide
10-29-2004, 11:27 AM
like i said, i only skim it because the initial topic wasn't interesting to me. it appears to have morphed into something equally uninteresting, but i'm just surprised that i can't get a line on it by scanning the new posts. and i back it up when i need to.

spamuell
10-29-2004, 11:39 AM
i only skim it because the initial topic wasn't interesting to me.

Yeah, the whole thing is not very interesting. For some reason, I seem to have decided to make it the place that I can argue with the most people, the only worthwhile point being against ethnicity (ok GoT?) stereotyping.

B Dids
10-29-2004, 12:01 PM
I don't have the energy to find the post I wanted to respond to, but I felt like making the point again.

Somebody mentioned this board's reputation for being "mean".

I post on all flavors of message boards, and this is BY FAR the most respectful and well mannered board I've seen.

The once and future king
10-29-2004, 01:11 PM
If you can be arsed the important topic for me in this thread is the assertion made by some pompous primadona that if you are in anyway sarcastic you must be immature/adolescant.

B Dids
10-29-2004, 02:13 PM
I find that GOOD sarcasm (i.e., astroglide style) is a humor that only comes with age and wit.

digdeep
10-29-2004, 04:07 PM
I could not agree with you more. The sarcasm is sophisticated and tasteful.

digdeep
10-29-2004, 04:09 PM
Happy Birthday King.

InchoateHand
10-30-2004, 04:00 PM
np

maryfield48
10-30-2004, 08:47 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, I understand that race has become the commonly used term for ethnicity, but that doesn't mean that's its correct definition.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm afraid it does. The only measure of 'correctness' in language is the frequency of use. Dictionaries long ago gave up on prescriptiveness, and now aspire simply to describe usages that exist. Language is arbitrary.

Blarg
10-30-2004, 10:00 PM
Some do and some don't. The quality of dictionaries is often thought of as at least in some part related to how hastily they infuse fads and trends in language into their content without distinction. In some fields, certain dictionaries are regarded as little more than popularity contests, with standards to low to aid in the preparation of acceptable documents.


ir usage is unacceptable in the preparation of

maryfield48
10-31-2004, 02:09 AM
[ QUOTE ]
Some do and some don't. The quality of dictionaries is often thought of as at least in some part related to how hastily they infuse fads and trends in language into their content without distinction. In some fields, certain dictionaries are regarded as little more than popularity contests, with standards to low to aid in the preparation of acceptable documents.


ir usage is unacceptable in the preparation of

[/ QUOTE ]

Dunno what happened to the 2nd paragraph, but the first is more riddled with qualifiers than this year's WSOP.

Blarg
10-31-2004, 05:56 PM
That thing got pushed down and I forgot to delete it.

Yeah, standards are different in different fields and among different people. But that doesn't mean that it's universally accepted that there are none.

jakethebake
11-01-2004, 05:17 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Making a negative generalisation about someone due to their nationality is racist.

[/ QUOTE ]
You Brits are all idiots. And no, I'm not a racist.

CORed
11-05-2004, 05:42 PM
[ QUOTE ]
it just sucks to be so young.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you thing being young sucks, wait til you try being old.