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1800GAMBLER
10-10-2004, 05:22 PM
I need some help guys. I'm totally lost on this subject so any imput/discussion on this would be very helpful.

I'm looking for places to advertise my affiliate deal. By that i mean it's just an advertisement for empire poker with my referral/bonus code [not going to be included in this post, so i don't get accused of spam] included on the advertisement.

The obvious thing to do really is just copy where ever party/empire are advertising since they actually have a market team working out were is best to advertise but that's just not pratical for an affiliate, mine is going to have to start lower and build up.

My thoughts so far are:

Advertising on 2+2 and other well known strategy for empire/party would be pointless, while these sites are all pulling in new players who are just learning the game the majority of people here will already have accounts at one of these.

Other sites, such as sites on the top of search engines, pretty much all of these sites were built by affiliates who use them solely to put banners on. No dice.

Bars, clubs. Illegal in the UK. Everyone i contacted said it was illegal to advertising gambling anywhere alcohol is being served.

University. This seems like a very good plan. Most will turn into long term players i.e. paying more rake. Even most don't have surplus income most do have a spare $50 to take a shot.

Horse racing events. For ~$1600/year you can have a a A5 advertisement in the horse racing program in every event (20) which is read by 300/meeting, mostly straight to the races though. Sounds good?

So how's my line of thought on this? Any other ideas? Any give any website/info on how best to go about this? Experiences? Any help is great.

submariner
10-10-2004, 06:54 PM
Do you have a website? I would think that would be the place to start.

1800GAMBLER
10-10-2004, 07:11 PM
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Do you have a website? I would think that would be the place to start.

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I've spoken to a few people with their own websites which are mildly popular. They all said the money they make from sign ups through their site is tiny compared to offering rake back on here.

Cubswin
10-11-2004, 01:26 AM
Why would your competition want to provide you with free advice that would cost them business? Just keep thinking and you shall find your answer.

cubs

PS... i will offer some advice but at a rate of $100 an hr... and i really do have some good ideas

BusterStacks
10-11-2004, 02:18 AM
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I need some help guys. I'm totally lost on this subject so any imput/discussion on this would be very helpful.

I'm looking for places to advertise my affiliate deal. By that i mean it's just an advertisement for empire poker with my referral/bonus code [not going to be included in this post, so i don't get accused of spam] included on the advertisement.

The obvious thing to do really is just copy where ever party/empire are advertising since they actually have a market team working out were is best to advertise but that's just not pratical for an affiliate, mine is going to have to start lower and build up.

My thoughts so far are:

Advertising on 2+2 and other well known strategy for empire/party would be pointless, while these sites are all pulling in new players who are just learning the game the majority of people here will already have accounts at one of these.

Other sites, such as sites on the top of search engines, pretty much all of these sites were built by affiliates who use them solely to put banners on. No dice.

Bars, clubs. Illegal in the UK. Everyone i contacted said it was illegal to advertising gambling anywhere alcohol is being served.

University. This seems like a very good plan. Most will turn into long term players i.e. paying more rake. Even most don't have surplus income most do have a spare $50 to take a shot.

Horse racing events. For ~$1600/year you can have a a A5 advertisement in the horse racing program in every event (20) which is read by 300/meeting, mostly straight to the races though. Sounds good?

So how's my line of thought on this? Any other ideas? Any give any website/info on how best to go about this? Experiences? Any help is great.

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jesus, i hope this post is so full of sarcasm it's even too sarcastic for ME. If this is real, I have lost all respect for you.

1800GAMBLER
10-11-2004, 04:17 AM
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Why would your competition want to provide you with free advice that would cost them business? Just keep thinking and you shall find your answer.

cubs

PS... i will offer some advice but at a rate of $100 an hr... and i really do have some good ideas

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It's not costing them business at all. It's a totally different market. Every affiliate on this site gets all of their business from this site by PMing people, there's about 15 active affiliates who regulary PM anyone who asks and none of these advertise in any other method.

Along the same lines, why oh why would 15/30 players give advice to other 15/30 players.

Lastly, does a person really need to be an affiliate to give advice here? Anyone with ideas, comments, suggestions can.

Dantes
10-11-2004, 04:59 AM
I think the best way to advertise your poker affiliate business is to try to avoid the terms of service of a popular moderated poker forum by doing things like consistently bringing up the fact that you're an affiliate in threads and then acting outraged when people call you out for spamming.

p.s. wasn't your location "affiliate" the other day? Did you move or something?

1800GAMBLER
10-11-2004, 09:52 AM
Oh man.

1. Most people here know i'm an affiliate anyway.
2. This thread isn't going to make me any money, if anything given i knew i'd get flamed and it would make me look like a new affiliate it's going to cost me potential money.
3. Given all the contribution i've given to this forum over the past year i didn't think asking for help in this area out of line.

Before i posted this we discussed it in the 2+2 chat room, most people were helpful and give insight while no one flamed me asking. I posted it here in the hopes among all the flames someone would be able to give me some insight, i guess that was a silly hope. This thread has been sidetracked and wont get anyway, so it may as well be deleted now before more people get pissed off with this 'spamming'.

Yes, my loc was affiliate and i don't see why that was a problem, it benefits the sign up more than me. Even Mason said advertising affiliate deals in our sigs wasn't a problem and wasn't the reason they were removed.

AncientPC
10-11-2004, 04:06 PM
I myself am trying to get into the affiliate racket too, but I'm going through the web site route (no plugs here either). My site's coded / finished, I'm just waiting on some domain / website issues to be resolved.

I don't really see the point in PM spamming for affiliates unless they're regulars looking to switch sites because they already know who to ask. IMO, there's too much risk involved to players with only a few posts as you don't know who they are, they could just be bonus whoring, or they're not as consistent with their limit / hours as they say they are. Then again I'm new so *shrugs*.

I figure I'd try and advertise through the campus newspaper about the site. I haven't contacted them about advertising info, but I'd imagine it'd be cheaper than the metro paper and possibly more lenient about adveritising online poker. UT Austin has a crapload of students, and a good percentage of them are regular readers of the campus newspaper since it's free and everywhere. Plus the usual reader is my target group anyhow, young college kids watching too much WSOP / WPT.

I'm also interested in how other affiliates are getting the word out, but I suspect this thread won't garner many honest responses.

34TheTruth34
10-11-2004, 06:49 PM
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I think the best way to advertise your poker affiliate business is to try to avoid the terms of service of a popular moderated poker forum by doing things like consistently bringing up the fact that you're an affiliate in threads and then acting outraged when people call you out for spamming.

p.s. wasn't your location "affiliate" the other day? Did you move or something?

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Damn! He just told you...

cockandbull
10-11-2004, 07:01 PM
hi,

i'd pop down to a few local card rooms, your UK right, why not pop down the vic or gutshot. i play most weekend at gutshot and when people are knocked out of the mtts they often play on the net in the bar upstairs. just strike up conversation and mention that you can get them rake back. i'm sure you'd get a few takers.

laters

harry

Cubswin
10-11-2004, 08:53 PM
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Every affiliate on this site gets all of their business from this site by PMing people

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very far from the truth. those that do get sign ups through this site are mostly rake back deals.... the wrong way to go IMO... not worth the effort.

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Along the same lines, why oh why would 15/30 players give advice to other 15/30 players.


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...because both players would benefit from poker discusion while if an affiliate gives advice to another affiliate the the benefit would only be in one direction. additionally, there are more players out there then affiliates so if you give advice to another affiliate this knowledge would be in the hands of a greater percentage of your "competition".

one posters has mentioned that B&Ms are a great place to get sign ups and i fully agree.... what better way to kill time between hands then having a little chat. i know many successful affiliates using this method.

i still believe that there is one uptapped outlet for affiliate advertising... and one that i will be pursuing when the situation is right. if you think hard enough about the demographics of poker players i think you should be able to come up with it. i would just PM you my idea but i want you to figure it out on your own... think outside the box /images/graemlins/smile.gif


cubs

1800GAMBLER
10-11-2004, 10:08 PM
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very far from the truth. those that do get sign ups through this site are mostly rake back deals.... the wrong way to go IMO... not worth the effort.

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This just isn't true and i don't care to share the details, if you want insight search for my post on eugeenel's affiliate.

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because both players would benefit from poker discusion while if an affiliate gives advice to another affiliate the the benefit would only be in one direction.

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Do you honestly believe this when you refer to players like Clark, astro, RZ, anyone taking 2.5+bb/100h from the 15/30?

They give everything and take nothing (reason vehn left). That is what i was hoping for here.

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there are more players out there then affiliates so if you give advice to another affiliate this knowledge would be in the hands of a greater percentage of your "competition".


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Not at all, hence the reason of my post. When i asked for help i expected it for a marketing student etc. most affiliates do not branch in this direction hence i'm not taking their share. Also, the affiliates that have branched into marketing i doubt they have plans to advertise in local english areas. Agreed?

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one posters has mentioned that B&Ms are a great place to get sign ups and i fully agree

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Every english B&M does not allows this, hence why i included examples in my post.

anyhow as an off topic rant i could say with almsot 100% certainity that you aren't signed up under an affiliate else you'd realise the money in it.

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I'm also interested in how other affiliates are getting the word out, but I suspect this thread won't garner many honest responses.


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Fat Bottomed Girls
10-11-2004, 10:46 PM
I advertise in bathroom stalls. It makes for good reading when we sit down.

cockandbull
10-11-2004, 10:51 PM
with regards to advertising in local b&m, that was not quite what i meant. i live in london and finding out about the bests bars and clubs, which imo are fabric, the vibe bar, loungelovers etc dont really advertise in the conventional sense, they use word of mouth. now if you popped down to say gutshot, and played in a few mtts. you'd get your face known you could point out to a few people that you offer rake back if people where to sign up under you, [censored] people might even tell there friends.

another thought, why not put up posters in internet cafes.

just a few ideas

laters

harry

lowroller
10-13-2004, 12:41 AM
Cubs,

I have been giving this some thought lately too. Most times I can't even FIND the box, let alone think OUTSIDE it...but I'll give it a try.

You mentioned the demographics of poker players...is this simply poker players or online poker players??

Sponger15SB
10-13-2004, 01:42 AM
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I advertise in bathroom stalls. It makes for good reading when we sit down.

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lowroller
10-25-2004, 09:43 PM
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chezlaw
10-26-2004, 08:54 AM
How about asking 2+2 publishing (and others) about advertising space in their books.

Although I'd rather the poker sites gave rebates directly to their regular customers, I sure wish there had been an advert in the first poker books I bought.

chez

B Dids
10-26-2004, 11:09 AM
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jesus, i hope this post is so full of sarcasm it's even too sarcastic for ME. If this is real, I have lost all respect for you.

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Umm... why? Do you hate people that like money? Weird to see people on a poker forum get moralistic about how other people try and make money.