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Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings
      11/04/03 02:16 AM

Quote:

Victor:

I just thought intuitively there was something wrong with
that specific number for KK as it is only about 220-1
against the BB holding AA. After your new table is
constructed, it seems more useful to consider a modified
game: suppose the SB states that I have "the hand XY or
better" and then the BB must decide. This seems a much
more useful practical question especially in a NL cash
game or tournament. So even if someone were using your
older numbers for the purposes of a tournment or in a
cash game, I would think the play still had +EV.

Cheers,

"bigpooch" a.k.a. "mangler"




I did some research along this line. I did not take into account dead money in the pot or blinds posted. Just a consideration along the lines of two players each get dealt a hand. The first player begins with the entire range of hands and asked the question, what hands can't profitably play? I called this list Grade F.

Then I took the remaining list of hands, the ones that could profitably play, and asked the question, what hands can't profitably play against this list? I called this list Grade E.

I kept doing this until I got down to the 3 hands AA, KK, and QQ.

This produces 6 lists of hands which I have labels "Grade A", "Grade B", "Grade C", .. "Grade F"

Grade A: AA, KK, QQ
Grade B: JJ, TT, AK, AQs
Grade C: 99, 88, 77, 66, AQo, AJ, AT, A9
Grade D: 55, 44, A8, A7, A6, A5, A4, A3s, A2s, KQ, KJ, KT, K9s
Grade E: 33, 22, A3o, A2o, K9o, K8, K7, K6, K5, K4, K3, K2, QJ, QT, Q9, Q8, Q7, Q6, Q5, Q4s, Q3s, Q2s, JT, J9, J8, J7s, J6s, T9, T8s, T7s, 98s
Grade F: Remaining hands


The grades are structured such that if you opponent may hold Grade D or better, you can only profitably go even money against him when you hold grade C or better (the next higher grade)

"AK" is taken to be either "AKs" or "AKo" and so forth.




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* $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result David Sklansky 10/24/03 03:25 AM
. * * Re: $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result JonCooke   10/30/03 03:53 PM
. * * Re: $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result rockoon   10/29/03 08:02 PM
. * * Improving the System? magic_man   10/27/03 01:18 PM
. * * Re: Improving the System? Nottom   10/27/03 01:26 PM
. * * Re: Improving the System? magic_man   10/27/03 01:32 PM
. * * Re: Improving the System? Nottom   10/27/03 02:49 PM
. * * Re: $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result karlson   10/24/03 03:05 PM
. * * The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings David Sklansky   10/24/03 04:46 PM
. * * Shouldn't it be Karlson-Sklansky? (n/m) clovenhoof   11/17/03 11:33 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings bigpooch   11/01/03 05:14 AM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings karlson   11/01/03 06:23 AM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings karlson   11/02/03 03:39 AM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings bigpooch   11/01/03 12:35 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings rockoon   11/04/03 02:16 AM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. Phat Mack   10/25/03 07:57 AM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. karlson   10/25/03 09:54 AM
. * * Re: question Phat Mack   10/26/03 06:03 PM
. * * Re: question karlson   10/26/03 06:41 PM
. * * Re: question Phat Mack   10/26/03 07:51 PM
. * * Re: question karlson   10/26/03 09:23 PM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. muck_nutz   10/25/03 08:46 PM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. karlson   10/25/03 09:31 PM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. muck_nutz   10/25/03 09:52 PM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. karlson   10/25/03 10:17 PM
. * * Re: checks: A8o, T8s, QTo. muck_nutz   10/25/03 10:40 PM
. * * PS Phat Mack   10/25/03 08:05 AM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings karlson   10/24/03 07:55 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Chubukov All In No Limit Holdem Rankings tewall   10/27/03 02:27 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings AmericanAirlines   10/24/03 08:53 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings Nottom   10/24/03 09:10 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings AmericanAirlines   10/24/03 09:36 PM
. * * Hands Sorted tewall   10/24/03 07:17 PM
. * * Re: Hands Sorted ZeeJustin   10/25/03 07:23 PM
. * * Re: Hands Sorted tewall   10/25/03 09:48 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings Boris   10/24/03 05:05 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings karlson   10/24/03 08:16 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings Your Mom   10/24/03 08:48 PM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings ramjam   10/24/03 07:20 PM
. * * ty Boris   10/25/03 04:01 AM
. * * Re: The Sklansky-Karlson All In No Limit Holdem Rankings Nottom   10/24/03 04:54 PM
. * * Re: $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result Nottom   10/24/03 04:45 PM
. * * Re: $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result Mangatang   10/24/03 09:20 AM
. * * Re: $200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result Nottom   10/24/03 09:35 AM
. * * Thanks (N/M) Mangatang   10/24/03 09:57 AM

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