(33) - make cbet anyway over minbet?

schwza · #1 09-20-2005, 12:35 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1810)
MP1 (t750)
MP2 (t1115)
Hero (t770)
Button (t775)
SB (t1105)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60.

Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t15, MP2 calls t15, hero?

Rduke55 · #2 09-20-2005, 12:39 PM

I would. I'd consider this a weak probe bet. Or maybe a blocking-type bet. Raise to 100 or 125.

proell · #3 09-20-2005, 01:56 PM

I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise.

jeffraider · #4 09-20-2005, 01:59 PM

Well I would probably not raise preflop here with two limpers in. If UTG+1 calls then MP2 is calling, and you've got a big pot with a pretty marginal hand (for this early on). You probably will have position though so raising can't be that bad or anything.

On the flop I think I'd probably just call and try to catch on the turn. I tend to play more passively early though, but a raise here is a good portion of your stack, say you pop it to 200 you've only got 500 behind with no pair no draw. I think there's something to be said for staying out of trouble early.

pokerlaw · #5 09-20-2005, 02:03 PM

I call here and hope to improve on the turn. i dont like to make a raise here w/o a pair.

Edit: I also dont raise here PF, hence the weak flop play. i dont like putting chips here in this scenerio...

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #6 09-20-2005, 02:13 PM

If you are going to make a c-bet this is certainly a great flop to make it (occassionally I c-bet, but I generally don't do this anymore). But it is level 1 and you are still in good shape chip wise, 2 people in pot, maybe call t15 and see what turn brings, fold turn if unimproved... but you raised 5xbb preflop and got callled by 2 people, and one of them has now put out a small bet on flop... WHY? Also, look at the stack size of your opponents in the hand, they can destroy you and you have nothing!! WARNING!!!

schwza · #7 09-20-2005, 02:28 PM

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I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise.

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this has been my experience also, so i raised.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1810)
MP1 (t750)
MP2 (t1115)
Hero (t770)
Button (t775)
SB (t1105)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60.

Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t15, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t185, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t665) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t75, hero?

now what?

#8 09-20-2005, 02:44 PM

fold like superman on laundry day.

jeffraider · #9 09-20-2005, 02:45 PM

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I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise.

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this has been my experience also, so i raised.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1810)
MP1 (t750)
MP2 (t1115)
Hero (t770)
Button (t775)
SB (t1105)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60.

Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t15, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t185, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t665) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t75, hero?

now what?

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Now you're in the exact spot that I was worried about. You've got 500 left, no pair no draw against a guy who minbet, called your massive raise and then led at you again. He HAS to have you beat here and I think it would be a miracle if he folded to your push, so this is a no-brainer fold.

pokerlaw · #10 09-20-2005, 03:07 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I see this a lot, and almost always it is a blocking bet that results in my taking the pot after a decent raise.

[/ QUOTE ]

this has been my experience also, so i raised.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t1810)
MP1 (t750)
MP2 (t1115)
Hero (t770)
Button (t775)
SB (t1105)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60.

Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets t15, MP2 calls t15, Hero raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t185, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t665) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t75, hero?

now what?

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this is the reason I hate raising here, with some players, a small bet = a small hand. however, others like to trap w/ a small bet. Unless i have SB = SH in my player notes, I dont RR this flop.

Now that you are where you are, its time to fold and play the next hand. also, i would put "trap bettor" or the like in villain's notes.

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