flopped bottom two pair - ace on board. How's the flop line?

[pokerlaw]

No reads - 18 person (2 table) tourney

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t1230)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t1450)
MP2 (t1540)
MP3 (t1440)
CO (t2510)
Button (t800)
SB (t1590)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t40, Button calls t40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t20, UTG calls t20.

Flop: (t210) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t360</font>, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t700</font>, MP2 calls t340.

Turn: (t1610) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t800 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2410

[lastchance]

I shove preflop. Check/folding half your stack just plain sucks.

[pokerlaw]

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I shove preflop. Check/folding half your stack just plain sucks.

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yeah, I thought about pushing...would prob have gotten called too. sigh.

[ldavidjm]

That's rough, I probably would push the flop, at the same time you've got a strong holding and the smaller reraise makes it that much easier to get his whole stack in on the turn. I think both lines are OK, but the way it worked out I kick the cat and fold.

I think you played this hand fine, it's just too bad that your hand got counterfeited. Unless he's just some sort of kamikaze idiot that can't let go of JJ on a terrible flop, you have to be beat. One thing you might have tried is to just call the min-reraise to make sure that the next card off isn't terrible for your hand--which it unfortunately was. This could have saved you that last reraise. On the other hand, had you gotten all in on the flop and he had a decent A, then you would get all the money in with what was most likely a huge favorite, only to be sucked out on once again. So, I guess the glass if half full and you were able to play on.

[durron597]

Easy easy easy easy push on the flop after you get raised.

[schwza]

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i can't believe no one noticed this.

seriously, i think viable lines are bet-push or bet-call (and then c/r a-i on the turn). betting and putting in the little reraise is kinda lame, imo.

i think bet-push is best, as Ax has a lot of outs against you, so checking the turn to him is kinda scary.

also, i'd fold pre-flop.

[pokerlaw]

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I shove preflop. Check/folding half your stack just plain sucks.

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i can't believe no one noticed this.

seriously, i think viable lines are bet-push or bet-call (and then c/r a-i on the turn). betting and putting in the little reraise is kinda lame, imo.

i think bet-push is best, as Ax has a lot of outs against you, so checking the turn to him is kinda scary.

also, i'd fold pre-flop.

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fold PF w/ those odds?

As to pushing to the raise, I agree that I should have shoved. I was gonna push to lead on the turn, but...

[schwza]

you're not really getting odds nearly as good as you think. if you flop 1 pair your hand is garbage even though it might be a winner if you went to showdown. and more people just means there are more people to flop sets when you flop 2 pair.

[tigerite]

I actually agree, I would fold preflop but hey.