$10+1 vs. $50+5

suited_ace · #1 07-21-2005, 05:27 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

Button (t925)
SB (t1000)
BB (t1265)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t1490)
MP1 (t1245)
MP2 (t775)
MP3 (t1665)
CO (t835)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t125, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, SB raises to t400, BB folds, Hero ?

What would you do in a $10+1 and what would you do in a $50+5 in this spot?

clipset · #2 07-21-2005, 05:28 PM

fold pf at both

suited_ace · #3 07-21-2005, 05:36 PM

God, and I thought I was tight. Do you play AQ in the early levels?

Slim Pickens · #4 07-21-2005, 05:40 PM

10+1: Easy all-in and I don't think it's close. Of the hands that are beating you right now, I would expect SB to have raised preflop AA, KK, AK, and quite often A9 and 99 as well. Almost no one in the 10's gives a flying care about position or the number of people in a pot. They see pretty-looking cards and raise. Most likely, the check-raise is coming from a naked ace or king, or a spade flush draw. If you're unlucky, SB has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something like that.

50+5: OK, here I'm talking out my a$$, but I'll put in a word and hopefully get flame-corrected if it sucks. The limps from UTG+1 and MP2 mean more here, so I'm still a little nervous about betting out TPTK early on in the tournament into a small pot with a semi-scary board. Betting puts me in a tough spot if raised, so I'm less inclined to bet in the first place. After betting and getting raised, I probably fold to the raise, then get pissed when he shows KTo.

TStokes · #5 07-21-2005, 05:41 PM

I agree I would have folded preflop UTG. I will play AQ if im in late position in the early levels but I see no reason to call UTG with it.

Slim Pickens · #6 07-21-2005, 05:41 PM

I doubt you can play winning poker at a high level without learning how to play AQo for a profit UTG here. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this.

EDIT: With the blind/stack ratio where it is here, you have to at least call. There are other times when it might be a good fold, and certainly others where it would be a push.

johnnybeef · #7 07-21-2005, 05:46 PM

Great thread!....in a 10+1 id be willing to get all of my chips in the center. this is due to the fact that you will be called by a flush draw or a weak ace regularly. In a 55, im going to try and keep the pot small, and as a result, i usually wont lead at this flop. as it stands, calling is not an option, and i will virtually always fold. check raises are usually a sign of great strength.

Jay36489 · #8 07-21-2005, 05:46 PM

For me I think early levels post flop play at the 55s is where people are weakest. People are better when it comes to pushmonkey time in the late levels vs my limited 22s and 33s experience. The early level post flop play is terrible and I think its about on par with what the 25NL was on the 50x BB days. This could also be because I just moved over from NL ring and am still getting used to blind stealing, maybe not.

Edit: Oh yes, and I fold to the reraise at the 55s unless the villian is a total donk. I've never played an 11, so can't comment on that...

bmxreed36 · #9 07-21-2005, 05:47 PM

In a 10+1, I'd push because he has A7, JJ, or a flush draw. In 50+5, I'd fold. You're betting that flop into a field with 4 others so he'd have to have you on at least an ace and it's unlikely he's raising with AJ or lower.

TStokes · #10 07-21-2005, 05:50 PM

I would also like to hear what others think about calling preflop here. As much as everyone hates AQ around here I would think calling utg and playing out of postion would be stupid.