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Old 07-19-2005, 02:28 PM
Winwood Winwood is offline
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Default $11 - lay down TPTK?

Hi - this is the 2nd or 3rd hand of a Party $10+1. No reads, and I'm not sure I made any good decisions here at all...

NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee
Level:1 Blinds(10/15)

Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: DiggerPhelps ( $800 )
Seat 2: im_a_giness ( $790 )
Seat 3: EBANKO ( $715 )
Seat 4: ocslifter ( $685 )
Seat 5: imallinalot ( $785 )
Seat 6: sims9913 ( $810 )
Seat 7: cooker9364 ( $995 )
Seat 8: bray444 ( $920 )
Seat 9: wolfcalls ( $745 )
Seat 10: matsky ( $755 )

Dealt to bray444 A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
cooker9364 calls [15].
bray444 calls [15].
wolfcalls folds.
matsky raises [55].
DiggerPhelps folds.
im_a_giness calls [55].
EBANKO calls [55].
ocslifter folds.
imallinalot folds.
sims9913 folds.
cooker9364 calls [40].
bray444 calls [40].

First question is, does anyone fold here? I do fold AJo here, but can't do it with AQo. Should I start trying?

The small raise of 55 after 2 limpers made me think it was a big hand. I make this exact raise with AA/KK/QQ. What do you make of this? I have no idea what the 2 cold callers could have, but likely reasonable hands.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
cooker9364 checks.
bray444 checks.
matsky bets [75].
im_a_giness calls [75].
EBANKO calls [75].
cooker9364 is all-In [940]
bray444 folds.
matsky folds.
im_a_giness folds.
EBANKO is all-In [585]

Nice flop, but given the PF action I thought it prudent to check to see what happens - is this just playing scared?

When PF raiser then bets 75 into a pot of 310 I'm still thinking big hand.

The guy who pushes could have a lot of hands - this is a 11 remember - maybe nut flush draw, maybe straight, maybe overpair, maybe AQ like me, maybe trips. Plus the donk-factor shouldn't be ignored and he may have some hands I like, but not many I can think of. And so with the push, plus potential monsters behind me, I fold - Am I giving people too much credit?

Oh yeah and guess I was wrong about PF-raiser's monster [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

The results don't really matter. I just felt I was playing weak the whole way, culminating in folding tptk, which doesn't happen that often I guess...so what do you think about my thought process? How should I have played it?

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Old 07-19-2005, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: $11 - lay down TPTK?

Folding that flop seems good to me.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: $11 - lay down TPTK?

I fold to the PF raise that early in the tournament. And yeah, it's an auto-muck after a push and a call on the flop.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: $11 - lay down TPTK?

I like checking the flop against so many opponents. I also like folding preflop against the raise, though I certainly limp in EP.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: $11 - lay down TPTK?

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I fold to the PF raise that early in the tournament. And yeah, it's an auto-muck after a push and a call on the flop.

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Without the cold callers I would like to think I would have folded preflop too. But I was closing the action for 40 more chips, getting good pot odds, or so I thought. At nearly 7-1, do you still fold?

By the way, it wasn't a push and a call to me on the flop, just a push. But I guess its still auto-muck.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: $11 - lay down TPTK?

Are you kidding me? Wow @ the weaktightness.

This is an $11. This is a fold in $215, this is an easy easy call in $11s.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:54 PM
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This is a good fold, there are so many draws and such that even if your TPTK is good now there is a good chance it won't be good on the river.

I never even limp with AJ in this position.
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: $11 - lay down TPTK?

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I like checking the flop against so many opponents. I also like folding preflop against the raise, though I certainly limp in EP.

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As I just replied to the other poster, I thought the pot odds preflop justified the call....but you obviously don't...I'd be interested to hear why? If I'm wrong here then I've just found a major leak in my game [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:06 PM
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Are you kidding me? Wow @ the weaktightness.

This is an $11. This is a fold in $215, this is an easy easy call in $11s

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Given the action and the draws, this is an easy fold on any buy-in. I also wouldn't have called the raise after initially limping.
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:19 PM
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This is an $11.

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