Confusing 1010 hand.. thoughts?

[raptor517]

***** Hand History for Game 2357812030 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:13901513 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Wednesday, July 13, 16:24:04 EDT 2005
Table Table 12342 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Garik4 ( $975 )
Seat 2: gofcukurhat ( $1050 )
Seat 3: Itachi86 ( $1215 )
Seat 4: swisher77 ( $2500 )
Seat 5: pugface ( $415 )
Seat 6: WangoTango11 ( $945 )
Seat 7: CfaJay ( $780 )
Seat 8: bdubs3737 ( $740 )
Seat 10: BOBRON ( $1380 )
Trny:13901513 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Itachi86 [ Tc Ts ]
swisher77: its been happening to me for 4 days now
Itachi86 calls [30].
swisher77 folds.
pugface folds.
WangoTango11 folds.
CfaJay folds.
>You have options at Table 11673 Table!.
bdubs3737 folds.
BOBRON raises [60].
Garik4 folds.
gofcukurhat calls [30].
Itachi86 calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 5h, 7s ]
AAirline: i am
gofcukurhat checks.
Itachi86 bets [125].
BOBRON raises [250].
AAirline: still brutal
swisher77: i know
>You have options at Table 12343 Table!.
gofcukurhat folds.
>You have options at Table 12083 Table!.
AAirline: gl guys
Itachi86 calls [125].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Itachi86 checks.
BOBRON bets [350].
swisher77: i would apologize but ive been taking it up the poop a long time
Itachi86 is all-In [905]
BOBRON calls [555].

holla

[Bigwig]

Well, I think you're beat on the flop.

I usually check this flop. By limping and calling the mini-raise, you're not in the role of aggressor in this pot. You're essentially playing for set value, not pair value, which is almost certainly the best strategy in a 30% payout STT structure in EP on the 2nd level.

I think you should check the flop, and see what happens. I think I'm dumping this hand on the turn. He's had two chances to slow down his AK/AQ (if that's what he's got) and he's not taking them. Unless you know the player to be a donk who makes those kind of plays with 88 and/or AJ.

[durron597]

Sucks to have TT when opponent has AA and the flop is all unders.

I fold to the flop raise.

Edit: no, you don't have odds to call and see if you hit your set on the turn.

[Unarmed]

The hand plays way easier if you check the flop.
PF raiser has to bet into 2 people on a two flush board. Let him reveal some information on his hand by his actions.

Given the bet and min-raise, I think you're toast a good enough % of the time to just let it go. This is a whole stack decision, not a 125 chip decision, and you're either dead already or a coin flip against Ax [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. This is another reason I hate leading out. Aggro opponents (i.e.: most) will put you on a probe bet and raise you with overcards.

You called, so I'd just jam the turn all-in. At least with that line you give him a chance to make a mistake with a FD.

[raptor517]

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Edit: no, you don't have odds to call and see if you hit your set on the turn.

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trust me, i wasnt calling for a 22 to 1 on the turn. im really not that terrible. thanks. holla

[durron597]

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trust me, i wasnt calling for a 22 to 1 on the turn. im really not that terrible. thanks. holla

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That's not what I meant, though in retrospect it sounds like it is.

What I meant was that it's usually really tough for me to lay down to these miniraises because the odds are so seemingly good, except you really don't have them here even though they are good.

Though note that you should put a note about this guy down and keep an eye on him for future.

[bigt439]

I guess preflop and the flop are fairly standard, but I just don't understand what you are putting him on by the turn. I like your check there, but that is because I would've decided to stop putting chips in after calling his minraise on the flop. I don't think you can fold to his minraise because this could be a dumb bluff with overcards, but when he bets the turn again I think you have to give him credit for an overpair whether you want to or not. Sure there is a reasonable chance he is bluffing this suspicious board, but I don't see why you'd risk your tournament on it. You've played the flop reasonably strong and indicated you have a hand. I understand that your turn check has somewhat invited a bet, but that is one of the vulnerabilities of this hand. If he has the ability to bluff this turn I think you need to give him the pot. I bet you lose this pot much more often than you win it, and you win less in some of those cases than you lose when he folds with nothing (granted this is somewhat rare).

[durron597]

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but that is because I would've decided to stop putting chips in after calling his minraise on the flop.

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If you never put in chips after calling minraise on the flop, why did you call the flop?

Just push the flop or fold when he raises you. I prefer fold.

[HonestIago15]

The big trouble with this hand is that only in retrospect, looking at all streets, does it become really apparent that he's representing AA and, I suspect, really has it. The min-raise coupled with very confident betting on all streets really seals it for me - he's completely confident in his hand.

What exactly do you find "confusing" about it? I've hands where 2 people are holding over pocket pairs (assuming that's what he held) go this way on many occasions.

[Unarmed]

F*ck I mis-read the hand earlier, thought there was another to act behind PF raiser on the flop. Anyway, guys Villain really doesn't have to have a monster here. If he reads Raptor's bet as a probe (and C/Ring here with a monster is more typical, right or wrong) then he can min-raise AK here easily. After Raptor just calls, he's indicating that he has a hand he likes, but not so much. After Raptor checks the two flush river its real clear he's not all that happy about his hand, as there's no reason Villain cannot be drawing here. If I am dropped onto this turn in VIllain's shoe's I'm putting raptor all-in with AK.