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Old 05-21-2005, 09:55 AM
AbelM AbelM is offline
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Default Two 200+15 hands

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (6 handed) converter

MP (t2300)
CO (t1431)
Button (t933)
SB (t1506)
Hero (t3120)
UTG (t710)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t710 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls t560, <font color="#CC3333">Hero</font> ?

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t570)
CO (t1810)
Button (t3155)
SB (t660)
Hero (t1480)
UTG (t965)
UTG+1 (t175)
MP1 (t1185)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t200, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero</font>?
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Old 05-21-2005, 09:59 AM
Nick B. Nick B. is offline
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

I would fold the first one and call the second.
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Old 05-21-2005, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

I would probably fold both!
The first one, I fold because SB already called, which means that at best, you are up against 4 overcards, and at worst against at least one of them holding a pair themselves.
The second hand, I would also fold because you would have to get a pretty good flop to continue playing this hand and T200 would be too valuable to me at this point!
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Old 05-21-2005, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

I'm the BB in #2 so it's only 100 more
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Old 05-21-2005, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

sorry, didn't see that. For T100, I would probably call simply because you only have to put an additional T100 in, in order to win at least T600. I think, you can and should make this call then in this instance.
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Old 05-21-2005, 10:55 AM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

The first one is definately a call.
EDIT: Oops, a slight math error here. It is not such a nobrainer as I made it sound, but I think it is still a clear call. You're getting great pot odds, it's a huge pot so sb will probably pay you off if you hit it, and there's a decent chance that it will be checked down if noone hits (allowing you a small chance at taking it all down unimproved).

The second one I'd probably fold lacking a read but a call and bet on most flops is probably good as well.
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Old 05-21-2005, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

2 easy folds.
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Old 05-21-2005, 12:12 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

The first one's closer than I thought at first but I call anyway. You're getting 4:1, SB has a thousand behind so it's potentially more, there's some small chance you win unimproved, you're a big stack, I'm gamboooling.

I fold the second unless UTG is a complete donkey, in which case I probably see a flop.
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Old 05-21-2005, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

#1 There are four possibilities.

a) Fold - Somehow I don't like it. You are getting more than 4-1 on a call. However, you don`t risk to lose the chiplead which guarantees you an advantage in the discipline of blind stealing.

b) Push - To shut out the SB, but I don't think the SB will fold given his odds.

c) Call and check down - Your chances of spiking another 2 in the community cards are 1/5. It's close, but I don't think you have the odds.

d) Call and push the flop - StopnGo might work to shut out the SB and have a race with UTG with a lot of dead money in the pot. How about this? (Obviously depending on the texture of the flop.)

#2 I don't know the range of hands a 200$-player minraises UTG, but it smells like a pretty strong hand, so a fold might be in order. (Nevertheless my flesh is weak and I would probably call, hoping for a AJTr flop.)
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Old 05-21-2005, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: Two 200+15 hands

Is 4:1 with a small chance you get the other 1000 from the SB enough to make this bet? What I dont like about the call in the first hand is that you will never have any sense where you are unless you hit the set. You are almost a 5 to 1 dog if one of the other hands is a pair. You are something like 2.4 to 1 against random overcards. That sounds good...but the problem is there is a reasonable chance that the SB will push on the flop. Even if that is only 1/3 of the time, it will really screw up your odds because you CANT CALL. You may already be beat by UTG for starters. THen you have half your chips into the pot with 22. I just dont see the need to gamble here. And if you think you would call the SB push when it happens...then you should push youself, now, and get the fold equity. You are the bigger stack, you will be representing a real hand, and the SB might take his chances on the bubble. If his hand was strong he should have raised. I think there is real chance he folds. So...I would, in order of preference, (1) fold (2) push (3) call.

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On the second hand, its pretty tough. Its not an important amount of chips. What really bothers me is the min raise. This is player dependant, but that is sometimes a very big hand and I am worried he is begging for a call. He has enough chips to cripple me. What happens if I hit? I am out of position...I may fold because it saves me a hard decision later.
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