Another JJ early hand

11t · #1 05-19-2005, 04:39 PM

No "fold preflop" responses =\

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t1455)
SB (t1390)
BB (t1780)
UTG (t1440)
UTG+1 (t1485)
MP1 (t1220)
MP2 (t2235)
MP3 (t1410)
CO (t1085)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 raises to t60, MP3 calls t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30.

Flop: (t345) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets t120, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t1350, Hero...

jgunnip · #2 05-19-2005, 08:03 PM

...folds.

I think folding this preflop at PokerStars is a crime. But post flop I don't think there's anything you should do other than fold. MP3 probably has at least a high pair than you and there's still two players including the origional raiser to act.

Nick M · #3 05-19-2005, 08:16 PM

what buy in level is this???? Of this is an 11 I call as quick as I can click...

NYCNative · #4 05-19-2005, 08:21 PM

Preflop minraise blows. I reraise a bit because I am suspicious and there's no way to tell how good his hand is or not nor can you tell what anyone else has. Better to define the hand and get out cheap rather than deal with the mess after you get a flop like you did.

I often feel strange reraising a minraise with a hand that is not reraising material. However I've found that just bringing the bet up to the level I was going to raise it anyway had people limped (in the case of the OP, around 100-120) I will not be losing anything more than had I been the first raiser and it will scare off some players. If you get reraised you can always fold preflop and you have invested exactly what you would have anyway.

liucipher · #5 05-19-2005, 08:24 PM

The all-in from pre-flop raiser smells like PP>88 that is estactic he'll get some action ... or it's AK that missed the flop. Thing is, he minraised the action preflop and that sounds like QQ+ to me ...

BUT I STILL CALL ANYWAY CAUSE I'M FISHY.

david050173 · #6 05-19-2005, 08:45 PM

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The all-in from pre-flop raiser smells like PP>88 that is estactic he'll get some action ... or it's AK that missed the flop. Thing is, he minraised the action preflop and that sounds like QQ+ to me ...

BUT I STILL CALL ANYWAY CAUSE I'M FISHY.

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The all in was from MP3 who was just a caller. The original raiser folded. I doubt either MP3 or UTG+1 has AA,KK or QQ. Both of them had an opportunity to raise preflop when it looked like the pot would be 5 way and choose not to.

The hand I fear is a4. 88 probably would have played it a bit slower. MP1's weak bet could be an 8, lower pocket pair (77,66) or a 4 looking for action. In a 22 mp3 will be bluffing over half the time here (or have a8). If you were last to act, I call this all the time. With two people behind me I fold since if I had a 4 (or 88) I would probably check this flop with 4 other people to act.

liucipher · #7 05-19-2005, 09:04 PM

You are in every which way correct.

I in every which way am illiterate and cannot read a hand history.

I agree. Hands that are beating Hero would have made themselves apparent preflop (QQ+) or would have trapped a flop that beautiful with so many people left to act (88, A4).