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Old 09-11-2001, 05:32 PM
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This was an act of war. The appropriate response is for America to declare war on those who plot acts of mass destruction against us, and the nations who support them. Our response must not be constrained by the safeguards of our criminal justice system to protect the rights of the accused. The nations who have provided sanctuary, training, and financial support to these terrorists should be made to understand that they will pay a terrible price if they persist.


While we greive, we should also realize that thousands are rejoicing in our loss.


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Old 09-11-2001, 06:06 PM
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In terms of saving future American lives its probably best if we don't do a damn thing. On the other hand Bush will be under intense political pressure to "make someone pay" and no doubt a good counter strike against any nation populated with light brown skinned people will soothe the collective feelings of loss and anger among us Americans.


I can understand the emotional need to kick some ass but I'm not convinced that it will promote US interests of protecting american lives.
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Old 09-11-2001, 06:25 PM
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A mere strike would be insufficient and would undoubtedly have exactly the results you suggest.


What is needed: the free world launching an all-out war against terrorism and terrorist organizations, their leaders and cronies. In six months they could be virtually eliminated.


It is the unspoken policy of allowing them to fester for so many years that has resulted in their increasing boldness and in the growth and power of their organizations. If NATO does what it probably should, then shortly bin-Laden, Hamas and other major terrorist leaders/organizations will be resting in: A) peace B) the Hague C) Hell D) any combination of the above.


Make no mistake, we need to defend ourselves, but we also need to destroy these organizations, because their raison-de-etre is to harm and destroy us in any way possible.
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Old 09-11-2001, 06:29 PM
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How many massacres of American civilians would you be inclined to passively accept before taking action?
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Old 09-11-2001, 06:42 PM
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"A mere strike would be insufficient and would undoubtedly have exactly the results you suggest."


I agree. For that reason, I hope that the cruise missiles that are reportedly landing in Aphganistan at this time are not American. An appropriately scaled response would surely require more time to coordinate.


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Old 09-11-2001, 07:21 PM
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Agree with you here Michael Sykes. I said something along these lines in response to Andy Fox's post below before reading yours. You said it more succinctly.


Must disagree with Boris above. The response to terrorism must be forceful and direct. They will not treat our weakness as noble or as sign to leave us alone. We must make the price for killing American civilians in this kind of attack very high indeed.
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Old 09-11-2001, 07:54 PM
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I suspect our administration may not agree with us. President Bush made an announcement to the effect of "hunting down" the perpetrators and bringing them to justice. The attorney general has announced he has mobilized the resources of the criminal justice system to investigate this "crime."


Contrast this rhetoric to the actions of Clinton, who early in his administration, bombed Iraq in retaliation for their suspected connection to a failed assassination attempt on the former President Bush. There was no trial, no public presentation of evidence. Sometimes, the president must act as judge, jury, and executioner.


I have little doubt that President Bush will succumb to political pressure and launch some type of military response. I hope it is not just a limited, symbolic strike which would only make matters worse.



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Old 09-11-2001, 07:58 PM
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Please explain how to effect a "forceful and direct" response to terrorism. Has anybody figured out how to do it? Israel has been trying for years and gotten nowhere. The more people we kill the more powerful will be anti-US terrorist groups. We are not dealing the Nazis or commy USSR and we need to adjust how we are going to deal with these events. Declaring war against a dozen arab nations is not going to have any positive outcome. It will not save US lives. It will not save foreign lives. The long term consequences would be terrible for our country and the world as a whole. The only truly effective military response would be a nuclear strike(s) and the cost of such action is probably more than we are willing bear.
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Old 09-11-2001, 08:19 PM
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I think we should consider strikes against any terrorist group to begin with. "Oh, you're not really with Bin Laden. Sorry." (Picture Belushi in Animal House saying sorry after smashing the hippie's guitar.)


We might then demand the production of terrorists that have been protected by governments.(even though I'm not big on the trial idea.) On very short notice. If the government did not hand them over, we should retaliate against the state upon which we made the demand. We can pick our spots, but should make it very bad for states who sponsor terrorist activities against us. A nuclear response could create more problems, but if we could swing it we should consider a full attack on any country harboring the terrorists who did this, with our goal the complete destruction of their government and infrastructure. I don't know if we could get our troops in position to do this, but say we could achieve military superiority akin to the advantage we had in Iraq. I would destroy the army and industrial capacity of the country and control whatever natural resources the country had instead of letting them off the hook like Iraq. If they had oil, we should take it all, forever. Then the other oil producing states would have to be careful, because we could bust their cartel if things went well.


I realize that this type of plan my be impossible militarily. But we should rule out options only because we can't do them, not because it would be mean. Or in the case of a nuclear attack, whether anyone can retaliate in kind against us. Terrorists do not think like we do, or even like despicable nations. So we must punish any nations who help these people to the fullest extent possible. But I know I will never know all the facts, because the juicy ones should be kept secret. So we may never know what is possible or why a given action is ill-advised or impossible.
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Old 09-11-2001, 08:33 PM
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We would not declare war against a dozen nations, and probably not even against any one named nation. However, we can make an example of the one nation which evidence indicates was most involved in this massacre. Hopefully, we can form a coalition with other nations to fight terrorism and pressure terrorist nations to cease and desist.
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