NLO8B $1/$2 hand

[jakuda]

Here is an O8B $1/$2 nolimit hand that my friend played. My friend "Chandler" is UTG+2. I disagree with his play.

9-player game. Average'ish players...but probably weakish considering the play that follows.
UTG folds.
UTG+1 calls. $2
Chandler calls $2. He has 4d Qc Qh Ah and ~$120 left
"Doug" raises to $4 (He has $180)
"Elmer" raises to $6. (He has $150)
Everyone folds back to the UTG+1 who then calls.
My friend Chandler here goes all in. Here is his reasoning. He "knows" that his opponents have A23x because of their min raises. He wants to go all in and basically end up headsup, or they both fold.

What do you think? I think a raise to $30-35 to go would have accomplished the same vs an all in bet. Even if they're calling stations, a raise to $40-45 would then be sufficient I think. He's risking his stack to win 50-65% of the final pot.

So "Doug" raises all in. "Elmer" calls. UTG+1 folds.

The board looks like: [4s 8c Kc ][6c] [5c]

Hands are revealed to be:
"Doug" has 3h 2h 4c Ad
"Elmer" has As 5s 3d 2s.

Even if you knew their exact cards, how would you have played it?

thanks!

[schwza]

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He "knows" that his opponents have A23x because of their min raises. He wants to go all in and basically end up headsup, or they both fold.


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(disclaimer: just learning o/8).

first of all, i'm always pretty unimpressed by perfect reads that are revealed after the cards are flipped over. unless these guys are monkeys, there's no way you could put them both on precisely a23x based on just a min raise and min reraise.

if you know they'll call, then sure, pushing is fine:

Qc 4d Ah Qh 0.576
4c Ad 3h 2h 0.186
As 5s 2s 3d 0.238 (from twodimes.net)

but if you know both players hands that well, it'd be better to just call and see the flop. come on - you "know" 6 of the 8 hole cards out there, so you should be able to kill them post-flop. finally, you don't want to get this pot heads up. the other guys have the same hand (essentially) - let them both put in money, cause you're gonna have to beat them to beat either.