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Old 11-16-2004, 01:12 AM
edthayer edthayer is offline
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Default Fold this straight?

Hero has 64 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB

Three folds, MP1 limps, MP2 folds, MP3 limps, CO raises, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop:
2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero checks,MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn:
5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets, all call.

River:
J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Huh-oh. Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Hero ?
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:21 AM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

i'd call if it was 1 bet back to me, kind of hard to call 2 though especially when everyone just called on the turn
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:17 AM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

I agree with fairness here - I'm willing to pay off the flush for one more bet, but two bets back to me and I'm dropping this hand as quickly as I can.

Alex
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

call me a sheep but I agree with the above; fold. 2 bets cold is especially hard with the a host of callers on the turn although wouldn't smart players be raising a flush draw here for an equity edge (if you get 2 or more callers isn't it +EV or is that only on the flop?) Either way prospects are looking grim and no sign that you wont have to call 1 more after the 2 cold. Fold.
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:53 AM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

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(if you get 2 or more callers isn't it +EV or is that only on the flop?)

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That's only on the flop.. On the turn you need 4.1 callers, so basically only raise the draw on the turn if your immediate left bet out and got 3 callers before you, then you have an excellent trap.
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

Better just to call this turn with the flushdraw. Roger.
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

Does anyone else C/R the turn?
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

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Does anyone else C/R the turn?

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I think it depends on what you know of the CO. You'd hate to have this checked through, but you could do well to make the rest of the field call 2 big bets cold.
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

Don't checkraise the turn. You have a very strong hand that will likely only be beat by a diamond draw that may not even be out there. Bet the turn and hope that CO raises.

You don't need to make the field cold-call two. You have a monster. Now you want to focus on getting as many people to come along with you as possible. And it's not like you're gonna make someone fold his flush draw for two cold anyway.

And yeah, the river is an easy fold.
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: Fold this straight?

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Does anyone else C/R the turn?

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no, you have terrible relative position to CO. hey may also take a free card.
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