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Old 02-22-2005, 10:03 PM
The Armchair The Armchair is offline
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Default 3 Table 5+1 -- JJ in the early going

Comments welcome on all streets. I think the flop call is right given the other moves as I will take at least one stack if I hit the 22.5:1.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG (t1125)
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 (t625)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP1 (t2435)</font>
MP2 (t1165)
CO (t885)
Hero (t810)
SB (t940)
BB (t2015)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t180, MP1 calls t180, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Flop: (t690) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t90</font>, Hero calls t90, UTG+1 calls t90.

Turn: (t960) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t125</font>, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls t125.

River: (t1210) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1210
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Old 02-22-2005, 10:51 PM
Superfluous Man Superfluous Man is offline
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Default Re: 3 Table 5+1 -- JJ in the early going

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Comments welcome on all streets. I think the flop call is right given the other moves as I will take at least one stack if I hit the 22.5:1.

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But on the flop you only have T610. So, if you hit your jack and both others call (and you're not beat by some weirdly played AK or KK), you'll make 1725 in profit (780 in pot + 520 from MP1 + 425 from UTG+1). Thus, you're only getting 19.1:1 implied odds in absolutely the most optimistic of scenarios. More likely one of your opponents will fold, thus further cutting down those precious implied odds.

It may look like you're getting outstanding odds, but I'd just let go of JJ here against two 5+1 opponents (I guarantee you you're down to no more than two outs here) and curse my luck at getting that kind of flop with my JJ.

Edited to fix math error (I hope). And also semantic error...obviously the pot will be bigger than 1725, but 520 more of that would come from your stack, or something. I should stop posting when I should be studying, I just can't get my mind right. But anyway, I dislike the call.
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