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Old 06-20-2005, 02:49 AM
elonkra elonkra is offline
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Default Early/Srong limp-raising with JJ OOP (how aggresv is too aggresv)?

Basically, this is early in a $5.50 game at UB, I have JJ in MP and come in with a strong limp-raise against a 4.5xBB button raiser and a SB caller, which is probably a dumbass move to begin with, but I've been experimenting with it for fun. Flopped a rainbow of undercards, which is obviously great to see, but then I find myself OOP, with a good hand, and in an awkwardly large pot of my own dumbass creation; what's more, I'm playing against a guy who says he has a great hand and I have a difficult choice as to bet size. I feel dirty for saying this, but I chose to bet 35% of my stack, which was *slightly less than half the pot*

I guess I was telling myself he'd either fold or reraise, and I'd fold if he re-raised and rally back. Well, he called, which I wasn't expecting. Another undercard brought a non-threatening four-to-a-straight, and I instictively (because I'm unsure) open-pushed. In spite of my good results, I'd like to know how many ways I screwed this up, and it safe to say it's time to take the aggressive OOP JJ limp-raise out of my preflop repertoire?


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Hand #6618329-6 at TurboSnG-0010w (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
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Started at 20/Jun/05 02:02:26

puckit is at seat 0 with 1335.
robwats is at seat 1 with 1680.
Bobch53e is at seat 2 with 1570.
Sugardadius is at seat 3 with 1460.
bentonrebel is at seat 4 with 3030.
arknole is at seat 5 with 1500.
FAHROUT is at seat 6 with 1485.
Prokofiev is at seat 7 with 1470.
thebeerman05 is at seat 9 with 1470.
The button is at seat 0.

robwats posts the small blind of 10.
Bobch53e posts the big blind of 20.

puckit: -- --
robwats: -- --
Bobch53e: -- --
Sugardadius: -- --
bentonrebel: -- --
arknole: Js Jd
FAHROUT: -- --
Prokofiev: -- --
thebeerman05: -- --

Pre-flop:

Sugardadius folds. bentonrebel folds. arknole
calls. FAHROUT folds. Prokofiev folds.
thebeerman05 folds. puckit raises to 90. robwats
calls. Bobch53e folds. arknole re-raises to 380.
puckit calls. robwats folds.

Flop (board: 7c 6d Th):

arknole bets 400. puckit calls.

Turn (board: 7c 6d Th 9c):

arknole goes all-in for 720. puckit folds. arknole
is returned 720 (uncalled).
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:44 AM
Hood Hood is offline
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Default Re: Early/Srong limp-raising with JJ OOP (how aggresv is too aggresv)?

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I guess I was telling myself he'd either fold or reraise, and I'd fold if he re-raised and rally back.

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You can't fold here if you're re-raised - there would be 1600 in the pot and you're talking about folding with only 720 chips left. You're pot-committed here so I don't think folding is an option. Therefore, a push here on the flop is better than half-pot bet and call if re-raised.

That's assuming you like your overcards. Your play pre-flop dictates that you have to be happy with the flop you got.

As you say, the preflop play is "probably a dumbass move to begin with, but I've been experimenting with it for fun", so I'm not sure if you wan't critic on that part of the hand.
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Old 06-20-2005, 09:02 AM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Re: Early/Srong limp-raising with JJ OOP (how aggresv is too aggresv)?

I don't like to open raise with JJ, much less limp raise with it.

You will see overcards 50 % of the time without hitting a J.

This is a very bad move IMO. At a 5.50 there is no reason to limp re-raise.

I can't recall any hand that I've ever limp re-raised with in my thousands of SNGs, ever. It just isn't necessary and it is risky. Maybe some of the other players do it, but I don't. MAYBE you could get away with a limp re-raise with a BIG pocket pair (I don't consider JJ a big pocket pair early on) at a 215 or something, but not a 5.50.

And your bet on the flop is way too small.
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