Success @ $20-$50 SNGs--Reflections - Page 6

zipppy · #51 05-20-2005, 05:56 PM

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We are a family here, no need for sarcasm,

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Yeah, I hate sarcasm.

Blarg · #52 05-20-2005, 09:22 PM

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You are taking somewhat more crap than you really deserve. I think a fair portion of this is because you are making a very authoritarian post that doesn't really offer any insight above and beyond what is commonly discussed in this forum (do you read the SNG forum in particular very often? I'm guessing you don't.) Furthermore, some of your revelations, as citanul points out, are understatements at best. If you view KQs as a marginal hand four-handed that you're really getting frisky with by pushing, you probably play too tight late.

When you make statements that are either accepted as obvious or wrong and people around here don't know you, you can thoroughly expect to get ragged on hard.

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You got jumped on a little, but you kind of brought it on by not reading the forum much. These ideas are apparent in Aleomagus's famous How to beat the 10+1's post, and basically universally known here.

Your post wasn't a bad one, but seems to be one that would be properly directed at people who were on this forum for the first time today or something. What you advocate is probably the default "2+2 style", especially at the low and mid levels.

So it looks like it left some people scratching their heads and saying, "WTF?"

Don't be discouraged from posting more; it was a good post. It just seemed very redundant.

Freudian · #53 05-20-2005, 10:34 PM

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by backside nature he means the commonly used:

you win this game at the end, not the beginning, with proper late game play, not early game play, so being alive late with some chips is the most important thing.

he, and others, are missing out on the fact that the "with some chips" is a really important part of that line.

citanul

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Level 1 is one of my most profitable levels. While you shouldn't take wild swings, playing it too tight will hurt your ROI significantly imo.

TheNoodleMan · #54 05-20-2005, 10:35 PM

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let's see if the data support your statements...

Indiana

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Here are my last 7 hands of 22 at level 1 on the 33s:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t825)
MP3 (t800)
Hero (t790)
Button (t585)
SB (t1045)
BB (t800)
UTG (t770)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to t100, MP1 calls [t785] , 6 folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: t137.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

BB (t790)
UTG (t1010)
UTG+1 (t775)
MP1 (t800)
Hero (t925)
MP3 (t797)
CO (t1335)
Button (t798)
SB (t770)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t45, 1 fold, CO calls t45, Button calls t45, 2 folds.

Flop: (t157.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t60, CO calls t60, Button calls t60.

Turn: (t337.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t175, CO folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: t512.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t512.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP1 (t670)
MP2 (t900)
MP3 (t650)
CO (t820)
Button (t1045)
SB (t785)
BB (t670)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t870)
Hero (t790)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero calls t15, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t57.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t57.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t57.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t57.50

Results in white below: 
SB has Ks Qs (high card, king).
BB has Qh 8c (high card, queen).
UTG+1 has Kc Jc (high card, king).
Hero has 2s 2d (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t57.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

BB (t700)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t700)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t1030)
Hero (t785)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 5 folds, Button calls t15, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t57.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t57.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t40, BB calls t40, UTG+1 calls t40, Button folds.

River: (t177.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t75, BB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t252.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has 2c 2d (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t252.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t815)
CO (t765)
Button (t775)
SB (t770)
BB (t805)
UTG (t690)
UTG+1 (t785)
MP1 (t1820)
Hero (t775)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls t15, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t72.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t75, Hero calls t75, MP3 calls t75, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: (t297.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets t200, Hero calls t200, MP3 folds.

River: (t697.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB calls [t530] , Hero calls [t485] .

Final Pot: t697.50

Results in white below: 
BB has Ah Jc (high card, ace).
Hero has 2h 2c (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t697.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t760)
MP3 (t895)
CO (t800)
Button (t735)
SB (t685)
BB (t920)
UTG (t795)
UTG+1 (t1485)
Hero (t925)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls t15, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t42.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t45, SB calls [t680] , BB folds, Hero calls t625.

Turn: (t712.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t712.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t712.50

Results in white below: 
SB has 6c Kd (one pair, sixes).
Hero has 2d 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins t712.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t555)
MP2 (t990)
MP3 (t775)
CO (t760)
Button (t1350)
SB (t1300)
BB (t705)
UTG (t790)
Hero (t775)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls t15, 1 fold, MP2 calls t15, 2 folds, Button calls t15, SB checks.

Flop: (t75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets t35, SB calls t35, Hero folds, MP2 calls t35.

Turn: (t180) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Button bets t165, SB raises to t330, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: t675

Results in white below: 
No showdown. SB wins t675.

citanul · #55 05-21-2005, 10:42 AM

hahah, you flopped a set 3 out of 7 times. good sample sizes. i love this stuff. you also flopped a full house on one where you didn't flop a set, and had like 1 scary board (defining scary board as a scary board for 22 for a moment) out of those 7.

citanul

TheNoodleMan · #56 05-21-2005, 01:53 PM

all true, I didn't really feel like digging through PT for too long so I took the fist thing I came accoss. The sample size is small enough to make it completely pointless, but it does give a nice little snapshot of the opposition. My personal favorite is the one where I limp and win unimproved.
The flopped boat without a set is pretty funny too. I can't really justify my play on that one.
The hand that best serves as an example of why these low pairs are profitable is the one where someone moves in with second pair. At the early levels of these SNGs there are people like that who are just itching to throw away their chips.