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Old 06-15-2005, 09:11 AM
Sabrazack Sabrazack is offline
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Default Good laydown?

The 8h was probably the worst imaginable turncard
because now both the flush and the possible three hearts beat me. And the minbet on the flop from the guy made me think he had made his flush.

***** Hand History for Game 2210233799 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13112403 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, June 15, 09:06:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 35249 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tigtaz13 ( $800 )
Seat 2: Mcjsn ( $800 )
Seat 3: terry_sa07 ( $800 )
Seat 4: matteronn ( $800 )
Seat 5: ERIC_no1 ( $785 )
Seat 6: AAbamboo ( $800 )
Seat 7: gawahei ( $705 )
Seat 8: PB4JACKS ( $935 )
Seat 9: HERO ( $790 )
Seat 10: SGFCHIEF ( $785 )
Trny:13112403 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ts Ad ]
Mcjsn folds.
terry_sa07 folds.
matteronn calls [15].
ERIC_no1 folds.
AAbamboo folds.
gawahei folds.
PB4JACKS folds.
HERO calls [15].
SGFCHIEF calls [5].
tigtaz13 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 8s, Ah ]
SGFCHIEF checks.
tigtaz13 checks.
matteronn bets [15].
HERO raises [45].
SGFCHIEF calls [45].
tigtaz13 folds.
matteronn calls [30].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
SGFCHIEF checks.
matteronn bets [65].
Hero folds.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:17 AM
zambonidrivr zambonidrivr is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

i hate this laydown. reraise to define your hand. good chance he'll put it down. your play is too weak here
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:20 AM
Sabrazack Sabrazack is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

A reraise here would cost me another 120 or so chips, if he then pushes i have to fold. If he calls and pushes the river what do i do? Also i have the other caller to worry about, if he was the one with the flushdraw and hit it, he would probably check it.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:28 AM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

At the 800 chip level, I fold this PF, even on the button. You really don't have much wiggle room with this structure. It's marginal, and others might be able to play it profitably, but it's one I like to stay away from.

I raise more on the flop, to 75 or so. I like two pair, but it is a very vulnerable hand that I usually bet big to protect.

On the turn, I agree a raise is probably just spewing chips. I think it's close between calling and reevaluating the river and folding. Thing is, you're getting about 4:1 on your call, so folding seems a little dirty. I'd probably call and see what happens on the river.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:29 AM
Kristian Kristian is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

Raise a lot more after the flop with a flush draw on the board.

Tough decision on turn, I don't hate the fold. Folding, calling or raising are all viable options depending on reads, or maybe I am just rambling... But you do have 6 outs even if someone made his flush.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:36 AM
Sabrazack Sabrazack is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

Yes i agree, on second thought a call would probably be the best thing. If he was bluffing maybe he drops it and checks it down.
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Old 06-15-2005, 11:30 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Good laydown?

fold preflop. raise more on the flop. call the turn. you have 6 outs (4 if someone has an 8). SGF is reasonably likely to raise behind with a flush, but you can't let your hand go this quietly when you have all of those outs.
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