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Old 04-12-2005, 10:23 AM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

How long has the transition been from
$11s -- > $22s/$33s --> $55s
clearly its different for everyone else [insert disclaimer].

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Old 04-12-2005, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

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Do you think so? A winning player at $22 will be able to beat the $55s also?


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Don't know. The $22s seem so long ago. I'm just saying they "feel" like the $22s. The early play is very loose, and the play from blinds 200/400 is funny to watch.

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How long has the transition been from
$11s -- > $22s/$33s --> $55s
clearly its different for everyone else [insert disclaimer].


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I don't remember for sure. Here's what I remember.

I began following the Aleoguide in late November 2004. Began recording stats in the Aleo spreadsheet on Dec 4, 2004. Played mostly $10+1s in December. Transitioned to $20+2s in late December. December SNGs ~ 400+. In January played $11s, $22s, $33s, and some $55s. January was a very difficult month for me. My worst month since I began playing. Even during a very rough patch during January, I had threatened to return to the $11s, but a 2+2 friend of mine convinced me that my bankroll was just too big to play that low (it was about $1300 at that time, all from playing SNGs). January SNGs ~525+. February, began studying folding equity concepts, had my best month. Mostly played $33s, some $22s (from Noon to 2PM CST). February SNGs 308. March, just an okay month, but only played $33s for the entire month. In March, I moved away from folding equity, and began focusing more on hand probabilities. March SNGs ~ 500. Now it's April. My goal is to put in 1,000 SNGs this month. I'm back to focusing on folding equity. As long as the ROI remains positive, I will remain on the $55s.

So to answer your question, just a few hundred games at each.
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Old 04-12-2005, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

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"Difference" as 3 syllables is questionable, Scuba.

Suggestion: "Diff'rence" + one word.

Love,
Haiku Police

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Take five syllables
Next add a line of seven
Five more makes haiku.

and, while I'm at it...

Limping pokcet pairs
EP in the fifty-fives
Is overrated.

-Coldest Call
who started doing this haiku thing as an attention getting ploy after a number of serious posts were roundly ignored...
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

I started at the 22's because the 11's I couldn't take seriously because of the low payouts/buy-in.

I was at the 22's for about a day before I realized that the 33's were the exact same game. I've been at the 33's for about a year taking occasional stabs at the 55's, 109's and 215's.

Degen
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

I can say this with absolute certainty: A winning player at the 22's can instanly make 50% more money by moving up to the 33's.

Degen
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

Chuck, how did your play at the later levels with 4-6 players left change when you went from focusing on FE to hand prob and back to FE?

Just by guessing I would say that by focusing more on FE you will push any 2 or weaker 2 than you would have if you had been focusing on hand prob?
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

Focus more on FE. It was a good learning experience with hand probabilities. And it has really helped me understand how to play shortstacked better, when I don't have FE. But avoiding this situation is smarter.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:13 AM
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Because...if you are short with no FE, you HAVE to double up just to survive which is often a losing proposition right?
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:14 AM
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Default Re: Making the Jump....33 to 55

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I've been at the 33's for about a year

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IMHO, it doesn't make sense to quantify your past experience based on time, but more on number of games played. If you played 100 SNGs over a year, it's no comparison to someone who's played 2,000 in 4 months.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:18 AM
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Because...if you are short with no FE, you HAVE to double up just to survive which is often a losing proposition right?

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The more you study how to do the $EV math, the more it helps to understand FE (as well as table observation and stacksize inventory). Essentially, you need to judge what hand value you're waiting for to do battle with. That's based on how many hands you're willing to wait and see. The probability of getting called is so high, I'm just looking for someone to be my ATM.
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