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Old 01-06-2004, 12:43 PM
Gamblor Gamblor is offline
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Default So where\'s the line...

between incitement and free speech?

Not that it may be relevant to this discussion, but does Zundel count as free speech?
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

There is an article in the NY Times titled "Shrink Government the Right Tells the Right"

This admin does not tax and spend, it just spends and spends.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Good news for freedom of speech

I thought you were gonna say Ashcroft was gone.

Here’s a link to some very creative Bush bashing. The link is to a Quicktime video that takes a couple minutes to download on dial-up, so don’t click if you’re in a game. There are 15 of these on the site.

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/06_small.shtml

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Old 01-06-2004, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

"This admin does not tax and spend, it just spends and spends."

Perhaps, but as has been shown, it collects more tax revenue precisely because it lowered taxes which in turn spurred the economy and increased the entire GDP. The total taxable pie was larger even if the tax rate was lower, so total tax revenues went up.

Quite a revolutionary concept, eh, ACPlayer!?
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Old 01-06-2004, 06:07 PM
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Default LOL!

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This admin does not tax and spend, it just spends and spends.

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The "spend and spend" days have been going on with every Republican administration since Reagan. Tremendous government spending is justified if the spending has to do with defense, and mocked if it involves education or social programs "because those things don't work". (Maybe they would work if they weren't fought tooth and nail every step of the way...)

Say what you want about Clinton, but he did make a concerted effort to get rid of the deficit and start paying off the debt. Bush seemingly has no compunction to do so

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Old 01-06-2004, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

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"This admin does not tax and spend, it just spends and spends."

Perhaps, but as has been shown, it collects more tax revenue precisely because it lowered taxes which in turn spurred the economy and increased the entire GDP. The total taxable pie was larger even if the tax rate was lower, so total tax revenues went up.

Quite a revolutionary concept, eh, ACPlayer!?

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If that is the case, why are we running budget deficits again?
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Old 01-06-2004, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

"If that is the case (Bush's tax cuts generating more tax revenue), why are we running budget deficits again?"

Ask Tom Haley (if Tom doesn't mind, that is). Tom has posted fairly extensively on this subject and supplied backup data, and is far better equipped to summarize such things than I am. Or maybe someone could direct you to the proper posts in the archives.

Also, the deficit we currently have, when taken as a percentage of GDP, is not bad at all compared to many other deficts we have had at times. Those who speak of the deficit as being huge (in absolute terms) are either being deliberately deceitful for propaganda purposes or are ignorant as to how to make meaningful comparisons.
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Old 01-06-2004, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

Not really. I believe in lower tax rates and overall lower tax revenues to the government.

However, for a true conservative cutting spending by the govt should be more important. The federal govt should be taking in less dollars to control the out of control spending appetites. The Republican Admin and the Republican congress should be cutting spending with the same zeal with each it pillories the Democratic spending habits during the Democratic years.

Basic conservative principles are being ignored. A fine opportunity frittered away.
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Old 01-06-2004, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

the republican sheep like him because he beat Clinton.

Also those who are informed enough to actually know who he beat.
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Old 01-06-2004, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: Makes you wonder...

You got me.
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