Evenkeal's play, questionable?

[xPuns1her]

Ok, I've decided to take a break from playing poker on Party for a week or so due to my tilt, lack of knowledge, and anger issues. So I've begun lurking and reading posts and watching two plus two'ers on Party. I was watching two of "evenkeal" aka Gigabet's table. Maybe I'm wrong here but are these plays awful or is it just me. Perhaps someone whos skilled at poker SNG's high limit can shed some light on what they would of done.

Hand 1:

***** Hand History for Game 2024635651 *****
NL Hold'em $1000 Buy-in + $65 Entry Fee Trny:12066527 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, May 09, 20:36:02 EDT 2005
Table Step 5 #983602 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: NUTZREALBIG ( $1255 )
Seat 3: IWANNALEARN ( $1120 )
Seat 4: bean_mo ( $1000 )
Seat 5: URmyRailbird ( $975 )
Seat 6: TeaneckNJ ( $940 )
Seat 7: richard466 ( $1850 )
Seat 8: Evenkeal ( $970 )
Seat 9: lastwin1969 ( $930 )
Seat 10: goodLgirl ( $960 )
Trny:12066527 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
TeaneckNJ folds.
richard466 folds.
Evenkeal calls [30].
lastwin1969 calls [30].
goodLgirl folds.
NUTZREALBIG folds.
IWANNALEARN calls [30].
bean_mo folds.
URmyRailbird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 7h, 2h ]
URmyRailbird checks.
Evenkeal checks.
lastwin1969 bets [30].
IWANNALEARN calls [30].
URmyRailbird folds.
Evenkeal raises [60].
lastwin1969 calls [30].
IWANNALEARN calls [30].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
Evenkeal is all-In [880]
lastwin1969 folds.
IWANNALEARN calls [880].
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
Evenkeal shows [ Ah, Th ] high card ace.
IWANNALEARN shows [ 4d, Ad ] a straight, ace to five.
IWANNALEARN wins 2075 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.
Evenkeal finished in ninth place.
Evenkeal has left the table.


Sorry about the lack of hand converter on this one.

Hand 2:

***** Hand History for Game 2024646974 *****
NL Hold'em $1000 Buy-in + $65 Entry Fee Trny:12065779 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Monday, May 09, 20:38:13 EDT 2005
Table Step 5 #983423 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: RagingDeuces ( $1160 )
Seat 2: genoa_st ( $955 )
Seat 3: Evenkeal ( $535 )
Seat 4: waynecoal ( $1195 )
Seat 5: ComeOnPhish ( $1035 )
Seat 6: lastbuyin101 ( $1055 )
Seat 7: PushPushPush ( $825 )
Seat 9: NUTZREALBIG ( $1805 )
Seat 10: calmjackal ( $1435 )
Trny:12065779 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Evenkeal is all-In [535]
waynecoal folds.
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ComeOnPhish folds.
lastbuyin101 folds.
PushPushPush folds.
NUTZREALBIG folds.
calmjackal folds.
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RagingDeuces is all-In [1110]
genoa_st folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 4s, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Evenkeal shows [ 3d, 3s ] two pairs, fours and threes.
RagingDeuces shows [ Kc, Ks ] two pairs, kings and fours.
RagingDeuces wins 625 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and fours.
RagingDeuces wins 1170 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and fours.
Evenkeal finished in ninth place.
Evenkeal has left the table.

He-She finished ninth in both games.

I am missing something here or is this below average play? Not to accuse or deface Gigabet's game at all. I dont know [censored] about poker but I'm hoping someone can prove me wrong or support me on this one.


My take is that in both situations it's way too early to make any moves without premium hands like AA,KK, or QQ.

[Nottom]

Well hand 1, is obviously a risky play and its based on a read that they need a monster to call. Unfortunately he ran into one.

Hand 2 is only marginally questionable at worst. If the blinds were going to go up in the next couple hands this should be an autopush.

[xPuns1her]

Why bet 800+chips to win a 200+chips pot that early in a tournament even if you have a read. Any of the other players could have a set, straight, even top pair.

[xPuns1her]

To edit my post as it seems the replies didnt get it.. I wasnt sure if these plays were correct or not. Simply say yes they were and that would help me out alot more than saying...

i think you are the biggest donkey on this forum

wanna get a private table and prove me wrong? PM me.

-degan (read:[censored]).

[Degen]

ok well i'll try and regroup it, i'm a bit jaded from your bad beat post and it seems as though you are critisizing who is probably the Michael Jordan or Shaquille O'neal of the SNG world.


I do not think any of his plays were questionable, i think they are very unconventional, but they are sound and they are logical and they are well-thought out i am certain. He had purpose with each of these i am positive.

Questionable would be not knowing what you are doing, not knowing why you are doing what you are doing...i gaurantee you Giga could write volumes on why he did each of these.

So no, they are absolutely not questionable.


Andre

[Gigabet]

BTW, both of these plays I make 100% of the time almost regardless of who is in the game.

[Voltron87]

come on man, just because it's gigabet doesn't mean he is infallible. ask him if he's every made a bad play. he would say yes.

obviously i know how good a player he is, but saying his plays "are absolutely not questionable" is just wrong. he makes mistakes.

he is the 23 of the SNG world, but saying "these seem a little suspect to me, why did you make them" is not unreasonable. they are high risk plays based on assumptions giga made which are not clear at all to us, there is much more than meets the eye to a poker hand, especially at this level.

[bones]

You're the guy that called with J high on a read and proudly made a post proclaiming your newly found reading abilities. Surely if anyone understand going with a read, it's you.

And in these games, top pair doesn't even consider calling there.

[Daliman]

GIgabet is sick good, and at times his plays backfire spectacularly. Don;t try to learn anything from these plays, yer not ready yet. hell, I'M not ready yet. Actually, plays such as this in SNG's I fell aren;t especially valuable long-term, and there is a better than average chance he is just using them as practice and theory testing.

[Degen]

i think you are the biggest donkey on this forum

wanna get a private table and prove me wrong? PM me.