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Old 06-29-2005, 01:15 AM
11t 11t is offline
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Default Calling off your stack on the bubble

So I was put in this interesting situation, I have a really aggressive shorty to my right (playing good bubble poker) and two big stacks to my left which (theoretically) should make stealing more difficult. Basically I am never first into a pot, and when I am I get to push against two gentleman that can call me and survive.

Blinds are also going up in 200/400 within 2 minutes.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t1400)
Hero (t1265)
SB (t7875)
BB (t2960)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1375</font>, Hero calls t1240 (All-In)
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:21 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

How aggressive are the big stacks?

If shorty is really aggressive and loose, you probably have him beat here. I think I'd call if the blinds have shown that they'll fold.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:23 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

Lets put it this way, the only time I'm first into a pot its UTG and and every time its folded to villain in SB he pushes.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:24 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

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Basically I am never first into a pot, and when I am I get to push against two gentleman that can call me and survive.

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Ahhhh, the worst-case bubble scenario. I have found myself in this spot quite a bit lately.

I call. Leaky? Probably.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

SGA says it's +3.3% if villain is pushing with a setting of maniac.

+4% if he's pushing any 2.

Looks like the call is correct!
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:29 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

I definitely call.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

I checked that out too, but that doesn't account for the players behind him who could call. It just assumes they fold 100% of the time.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

Hi All,

I think calling here is automatic. You know that the range of hands the villian is pushing with is wide. If his push range is something like this ...any pair, Ax, Kx Q10+ you will be ahead of 20 Ax, 22 Kx, 2 Q10+ and behind 14 pairs....so you will be in with the best of it 44 to 14 or over 3x....and many of those you will have heavily dominated. Also, it is likely he is pushing with an even bigger range....giving you even greater advantage.
In my experience the blinds rarely overcall these without a premium hand so you are really only worried about AA-QQ, plus AK, about possible hands.

I just gotta call here.

SGA says call as well

Pitcher
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:40 AM
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

Do you really think being overcalled is that likely where you give up an edge of 3.3% in prize pool equity?!

Call, pretty quickly.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:48 AM
pergesu pergesu is offline
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Default Re: Calling off your stack on the bubble

No, I call here too. I'm just saying it's not a 3.3% edge. Gonna be more or less based on the calling standards of the two biggies.

But I think regardless of what their standards are, folding this would be a big big mistake. Didn't think I needed to reiterate what 4 or 5 other people have already said.
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