bubble idiocy

[liucipher]

*ahem* not that I necessarily did this, but the correct play is to fold here and coast ITM, right? Or am I "supposed to play for 1st" with this mediocre holding?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

SB (t1770)
Hero (t1420)
UTG (t542)
Button (t4268)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero?

[curtains]

I would fold.

[Voltron87]

whats your pushing range if button is doing this often? JJ+ AQ+?

[curtains]

TT is stronger than AQ here IMO. I would definitely push JJ-AA, probably TT+99+AK+AQ too. You have obvious folding equity here, so you can be slightly looser. If your opponent went allin, you'd have to fold AQ+AK and the lower pairs. I believe I'd play JJ-AA only to an allin, and add some hands against the 400 chip raise. (and JJ is very close, maybe it's a fold, depending on the sopshitication of your opponent whom should move allin with any 2. If they do move allin with any 2 its a very clear call with JJ, if not then its a fold. However given that this is a lower buyin tournament, your opponents will be less sophisticated in general)

[Degen]

wow dude

them are some tight calling standards


i call AK right here all day and probably TT as well.


I posted a very similar hand curtains and you said i should be calling here with TT (though I was SB and the button pushed).


Andre

[curtains]

If Button pushes any two here, you are throwing away money calling with AKo.

[citanul]

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so i guess you don't like to double up too much?

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it is my sincere opinion that you post too much while thinking and reading too little.

go run some goddamn icm calculations, and report back. personally in the hand posted, if the button pushed, i'd have to think really hard about my AK, and i'd probably fold it. assuming for instance the button to be pushing any two cards here, using eastbay's calculator, and a 30+3, calling AKs loses $1.23 relative to folding. AKo loses $2.93. against the any 2 hand set, 77 loses $2.02, while 88 wins $.86. these all start you with an equity of $67.32 if you fold the hand, so 88 for instance we're talking about being a .3% ev improver.

tightening the hand set to something like, say any pair, any ace, any king, Q9+ yields more numbers of course:

AKs -&gt; loses $.48
AKo -&gt; loses $1.94
QQ -&gt; wins $2.70
JJ -&gt; loses $.07
TT -&gt; loses $2.33

so yeah, mostly, start doing these sorts of calculation, and realize that a) making every +EV play is not necessarilly right, since well, you may not want to make your variance absolutely skyrocket just so that you can make another 48 cents and b) busting out really sucks, especially when another player is criminally short.

also, for good measure, you "pointed out" to curtains that you had posted some other hand and he had given some other answer. well, to that, i answer, different hands are different hands. a hand "like" another hand is not the same as the other hand, it's like it.

approaching one of the best players and best posters on the board with a line quite as trite and stupid as "i guess you don't like doubling up" means that perhaps you should consider, maybe, that he was right and you were wrong. instead of just oh, assuming that you're always right.

citanul

[TStokes]

I will fold here but I dont plan on coasting into the money there are plenty of better places to put your money in the middle

[Voltron87]

fold, I don't rule out pushing automatically but AT is not a powerhouse hand in that regard.

[EasilyFound]

Good question. I've folded in these spots. I've also pushed in these spots and gotten busted.

BTW, what would you do if you had the button covered or the stack sizes were switched?